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Welcome to the Chat room! Place used to discuss any and all aspects of Lingua Libre: the project itself, discussions of the operations, policy and proposals, technical issues, etc. Other forums include for code-oriented issues, . Feel free to participate in any language you want to.

 
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== Datasets out of date ==
 
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Hello. It seems that the datasets page, although it claims to run every 2 days, is completely out of date: all the available zips are from April 2020 or November 2019 (and the full zip from May 2019). Is this a known problem? Is there a plan to address it? [[User:Julien Baley|Julien Baley]] ([[User talk:Julien Baley|talk]]) 23:17, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 
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:Indeed, it seems to have an issue with the dataset updating. I opened a [[phab:T261519|Phabricator ticket]] about this issue. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 18:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 
  
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== Publish on Wikimedia Commons ==
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== Is the Record Wizard not working for anyone else? ==
  
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Hello, I just tested, but my records are not published on Commons. My tests: on Firefox, then on Chrome, with 50, then with 1 expression (s), with license CC3.0-BY-SA and CC1.0. —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 06:51, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[[File:LiLi April 2021 - Publish on Wikimedia Commons.png|thumb|Problème de publication sur Wikimedia Commons]]
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My mic works with [https://mictests.com/ mictests.com], but [https://lingualibre.org/wiki/Special:RecordWizard the RecordWizard] doesn't pick anything up at the "check your microphone" stage. I've tried on both my phone and my laptop, and I can record sound in both cases, and I have the appropriate permissions enabled, but this particular website isn't detecting sounds. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 23:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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:[[phab:T281636]] —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 07:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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:Hello [[User:Grendelkhan]],
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:: Usually I have the same with the first two recordings in a session. Then I can upload them again at the end. Try again with more recordings, and using "retry filed upload" button. [[User:Poemat|Poemat]] ([[User talk:Poemat|talk]]) 08:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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:I just received a second such report. User also checked [https://mictests.com/ mictests.com] sucessfully.
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::: Yup, I had this bug many times. (I say "had" because I don't remember having encountered it after the fire incident.) Just don't give up and it should be published eventually. [[User:DSwissK|DSwissK]] ([[User talk:DSwissK|talk]]) 11:56, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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:On Firefox, Lingua Libre recording studio step 4, the microphone is allowed (we see the red microphone image on the left of the URL address). But after clicking the record button, no recording occurs.
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::::(As of 3 May 2021 and as I checked, I'm not aware of any code changes ([https://github.com/lingua-libre/RecordWizard/commits/master history]) which may have of affected this. Seb35 made some other code change this same day.) [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:47, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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:* Mictests on other site : successful.
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I add a user who has the same problem: {{u|Le Commissaire}}. —[[User:Eihel-LiLi|Eihel-LiLi]] ([[User talk:Eihel-LiLi|talk]]) 15:33, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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:*Device: Notebook
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:::::Bonjour {{ping|Seb35}}, Faudrait voir avec {{u|Le Commissaire}} si le problème persiste aussi (avant de clore le ticket Phab. Sincères salutations. —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 10:01, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
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:*OS: ?
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::::::J’ai mis un message à Le Commissaire sur sa page de discussion.
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:*Browser: Firefox, Chrome.
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::::::Le problème que vous avez eu était spécifique à votre compte, c’est peut-être arrivé à d’autres personnes mais ça semble assez rare. Aussi, à partir du moment où un utilisateur a réussi à faire un envoi vers Commons, alors c’est un problème différent du vôtre ([[:phabricator:T275957|celui-ci, qui ressemble mais l’erreur est intermittente]]). Plus globalement, il faudrait que le message d’erreur soit explicite plutôt que d’aller à chercher dans la console du navigateur, je vais ouvrir un ticket Phabricator en ce sens. [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] ([[User talk:Seb35|talk]]) 10:28, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
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:*User: [[User:Akamycoco]].
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:*Languages affected: all.
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:*Dates : Worked on February 28. Stopped working on February 29.
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:Let's starts an investigation. Could you let me know your OS and precise web browser version ? (Help > About Chrome or similar)
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:Let me know as well if you have basic developer skills to Right-click on the staled page > Inspect > Console : are there any error message ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 07:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Exclusion lists ==
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::My laptop is using Google Chrome <tt>122.0.6261.94 (Official Build) (64-bit)</tt> on Linux (Debian Testing). No error messages in the console when I attempt the recording. My phone is using Chrome <tt>122.0.6261.90</tt> on Android 14 on a Pixel 5a. It ''does'' seem to work on Firefox <tt>115.7.0esr (64-bit)</tt> on my laptop. (I really should have checked that before.) So maybe this is solely a Chrome problem? [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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If anyone uses the regularly updated [[user:Olafbot|Olafbot's]] lists of wanted words ([[List:Fra/Lemmas-without-audio-sorted-by-number-of-wiktionaries]], etc.), and spotted an item that should be removed without recording, you can use the brand new exclusion lists to remove it. For example on the list [[List:Fra/Lemmas-without-audio-sorted-by-number-of-wiktionaries]] there was the word "abandonar", which apparently doesn't belong to the contemporary French corpus. Having added it on the exclusion list (here: [[user:Olafbot/exclusion list/Fra]]) the bot knows this item should never appear in French lists it maintains, and [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?title=List:Fra/Lemmas-without-audio-sorted-by-number-of-wiktionaries&diff=619214&oldid=606068 removes it] during the next update.
 
  
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Each "Lemmas without audio" list ({{Olafbot-wikt}}) has a corresponding exclusion list ({{Olafbot-exclusion}}). I hope it will help.
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== Automatic categorization isn't documented. ==
  
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Normally I would add a link to the exclusion list in a description of each lemmas list, but unfortunately, Lingua Libre engine doesn't allow adding any kind of comments or descriptions to lists, so this ad is the only way to spread a word about the new functionality. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 09:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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So far as I can tell, this isn't documented: if, for user Foo, category <tt>Lingua Libre pronunciation by Foo</tt> exists on Commons, then all uploads will be categorized into that category. This is helpful! It's also easy to backfill after the fact using [[:commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot]]. I'm not sure where to document this, but it seems reasonable to do so ''somewhere''. [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 16:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Olaf}} Thank you so much for this useful new function! Indeed, the Record Wizard does not yet understand comments, categories nor templates on List pages, but this will be considered for future updates. — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 18:48, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 
  
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== Ajout d'une nouvelle langue ==
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== Understanding lingua-libre ==
  
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Bonjour !
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Hi, I am creating this discussion to understand lingua-libre better
  
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Je souhaite ajouter la langue Q3196953 mais en suivant la [https://lingualibre.org/wiki/Help:Add_a_new_language/fr procédure], je ne vois pas LinguaImporter. Quelqu'un peut-il me dire pourquoi?
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== Uploads are failing ==
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:''TLDR: Large amount of users reporting failure to upload at step 5 : [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]], [[User:Culex|Culex]], [[User:XANA000|XANA000]], [[User:Ardzun|Ardzun]] (Indonesian languages), [[User:Penn Zero MSSJ|Penn Zero MSSJ]], [[User:Univòc64]] (Whistled Occitan) and [[User:Akamycoco]] (Taiwanese languages). This likely only tip of iceberg. Only few users were able to [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?hidebots=1&translations=filter&hidepageedits=1&hideWikibase=1&hidelog=1&namespace=0&limit=1000&days=14&enhanced=1&title=Special:RecentChanges&urlversion=2 record in May], with atypically low number of recordings. Indonesia workshop with ~15 participants critically affected. Investigation ongoing. [[User:Hugo en résidence|Hugo en résidence]] ([[User talk:Hugo en résidence|talk]]) 14:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)''
  
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Cdt,
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I can record words, but uploading them to Commons fails. The JavaScript console has the following message:
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BamLifa
 
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: {{ping|BamLifa}} c'est parce que tu n'es pas administrateur. Je viens d'importer le {{Q|646152}} [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 17:16, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 
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::{{ping|Pamputt}}, merci beaucoup pour cette précision. Si cette option n'est réservée qu'aux admins, pourquoi en parler dans la doc sans cette précision ? En plus, vue la multitude des langues que nous avons qui n'existent pas encore chez Lingua libre, ne pensez-vous pas que vous devriez simplifier cette tâche ? J'ai encore une autre langue à ajouter, le Bira (bila). [[User:BamLifa|BamLifa]] ([[User talk:BamLifa|talk]]) 12:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 
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:::{{ping|BamLifa}} c'est indiqué sur cette page (c'est même le titre de la section (Outil pour les administrateurs)). Je ne me rappelle pas pourquoi c'est réservé aux admins mais ça limite au moins les vandales qui voudraient importer des choses qui ne sont pas des langues. Bref, j'ai importé le {{Q|656403}} et le {{Q|656404}}. Si ce ne sont pas les bonnes langues, peux-tu me donner le code ISO 639-3 correspondant (ou au moins l'identifiant Wikidata) ? [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 14:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 
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::::{{ping|Pamputt}}, Merci beaucoup. [[User:BamLifa|BamLifa]] ([[User talk:BamLifa|talk]]) 05:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 
  
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== Lists still don't work properly ==
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: <tt>'''Your IP address is in a range that has been [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global blocks|blocked on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis]].''' The block was made by [[User:EPIC|‪EPIC‬]]. The reason given is ''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/NOP|Open proxy/Webhost]]: See the [[m:WM:OP/H|help page]] if you are affected''. * Start of block: 10:09, 1 May 2024 * Expiry of block: 10:09, 1 May 2027 Your current IP address is 2001:41d0:304:100::4790. The blocked range is ‪2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33‬. Please include all above details in any queries you make. If you believe you were blocked by mistake, you can find additional information and instructions in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/No open proxies|No open proxies]] global policy. Otherwise, to discuss the block please [[m:Steward requests/Global|post a request for review on Meta-Wiki]]. You could also send an email to the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Stewards|stewards]] [[m:Special:MyLanguage/VRT|VRT]] queue at "stewards@wikimedia.org" including all above details.`, blockinfo: {…}, "*": "See https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at &lt;https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/mediawiki-api-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/&gt; for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."
  
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{{Ping|WikiLucas00}} {{Ping|Poslovitch}} It's better than [[LinguaLibre:Chat_room#Lists_stopped_working|before]], but still, sometimes the Record Wizard hangs when a list is chosen.
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This is not my IP address shown in the error message, and whatismyip confirms that I'm not behind a proxy. The Global block request [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/2024-w18#Global_block_for_Special:Contributions/2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33 is here]. Is this affecting anyone else? I lost a heap of recordings. [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 22:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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Then I have to reload the page, and try again. Usually the second or the third time of trying the same list, it starts to work.
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:Uploads are failing for me today too, even though I am recording with my account. [[User:Culex|Culex]] ([[User talk:Culex|talk]]) 15:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Probably a race condition. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 09:47, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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:: Idem--[[User:XANA000|XANA000]] ([[User talk:XANA000|talk]]) 16:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Olaf}}It also happens to me sometimes, but I think that it could be related to the button for removing words you already recorded. When you load a list of words you never recorded (typically Olafbot's lists), ticking the button seems to kill the loading. Best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 10:23, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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::: I can record, but i couldn’t uploaded until today. I was able to upload once yesterday, but after that I couldn't upload any more. [[User:Ardzun|Ardzun]] ([[User talk:Ardzun|talk]]) 06:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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:: Thank you. Indeed, with this switch unchecked everything seems to work. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 16:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
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:I guess I'm not the only one who's been trying for weeks but could not publish audio after 1 May. Hope someone can fix it. [[User:Penn Zero MSSJ|Penn Zero MSSJ]] ([[User talk:Penn Zero MSSJ|talk]]) 20:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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::[[User:Univòc64]] (Whistled occitan) and [[User:Akamycoco]] (Taiwanese languages) also reported issues.
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::It seems time to add a sitenotice warning. [[User:Hugo en résidence|Hugo en résidence]] ([[User talk:Hugo en résidence|talk]]) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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::In may we have mostly : 556 recordings by 7 users on May 1th, 174 recordings on May 11th ([[Special:Contributions/Austin Zhang|Austin Zhang]]), then nothing.
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::If we compare with [https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/User:Yug/QueryLingualibre-monthly.ipynb known monthly recordings], our average months recently was 30k audios, the lowest ones were 5k audios, May 2024 is heading toward 1200 audios or 5% of the average month and 20% of the lowest months. Something weird is going on indeed. 
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{| class=wikitable
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! Most prolific speakers for the current month || Months since 2022
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|-
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<query _pagination="10" locutor="<translate><!--T:7--> Item (locutor Qid)</translate>" locutorLabel="<translate><!--T:8--> Speakers of the Month</translate>" nb="<translate><!--T:9--> Number of records</translate>">
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SELECT ?locutor ?locutorLabel ?nb WHERE {
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  {
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    SELECT ?locutor (COUNT(?record) as ?nb)
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    WHERE {
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        ?record prop:P2 entity:Q2 .        # Q2: record, P2: instance of.
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        ?record prop:P5 ?locutor .          # Property:P5: speaker
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        ?record prop:P6 ?date .
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      FILTER ( YEAR(?date) = YEAR(NOW()) && MONTH(?date) = MONTH(NOW()) )
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    }
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    GROUP BY ?locutor ?locutorLabel
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    ORDER BY DESC(?nb)
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    LIMIT 50
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  }
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  SERVICE wikibase:label {
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    bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en" .
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    ?locutor rdfs:label ?locutorLabel .
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  }
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}
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ORDER BY DESC(?nb)
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</query>
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<pre>
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{ date:2022-01, records: 21290, speakers: 46, languages: 28 },
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{ date:2022-02, records: 3894, speakers: 40, languages: 17 },
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{ date:2022-03, records: 8357, speakers: 61, languages: 21 },
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{ date:2022-04, records: 5454, speakers: 34, languages: 18 },
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{ date:2022-05, records: 4702, speakers: 59, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2022-06, records: 7675, speakers: 41, languages: 18 },
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{ date:2022-07, records: 4364, speakers: 37, languages: 22 },
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{ date:2022-08, records: 9544, speakers: 45, languages: 23 },
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{ date:2022-09, records: 5802, speakers: 113, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2022-10, records: 6931, speakers: 74, languages: 32 },
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{ date:2022-11, records: 8461, speakers: 54, languages: 34 },
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{ date:2022-12, records: 11882, speakers: 54, languages: 23 },
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{ date:2023-01, records: 18150, speakers: 48, languages: 29 },
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{ date:2023-02, records: 32441, speakers: 65, languages: 29 },
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{ date:2023-03, records: 11527, speakers: 61, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2023-04, records: 8451, speakers: 58, languages: 35 },
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{ date:2023-05, records: 21282, speakers: 97, languages: 49 },
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{ date:2023-06, records: 17940, speakers: 56, languages: 35 },
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{ date:2023-07, records: 75825, speakers: 74, languages: 38 },
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{ date:2023-08, records: 32681, speakers: 54, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2023-09, records: 28813, speakers: 114, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2023-10, records: 60317, speakers: 167, languages: 47 },
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{ date:2023-11, records: 49704, speakers: 140, languages: 55 },
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{ date:2023-12, records: 42383, speakers: 114, languages: 41 },
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{ date:2024-01, records: 40572, speakers: 112, languages: 40 },
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{ date:2024-02, records: 22385, speakers: 197, languages: 57 },
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{ date:2024-03, records: 16997, speakers: 173, languages: 48 },
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{ date:2024-04, records: 8733, speakers: 117, languages: 42 },
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{ date:2024-05, records: 556, speakers: 7, languages: 7 }
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</pre>
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|-
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! Daily recordings over April and May 2024 || 
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|-
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<query _pagination="40">
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SELECT
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?yearmonthday
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(COUNT(DISTINCT ?record) AS ?records)
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(COUNT(DISTINCT ?speaker) AS ?speakers)
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(COUNT(DISTINCT ?language) AS ?languages)
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WHERE {
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  ?record prop:P5 ?speaker .
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  ?record prop:P4 ?language .
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  ?record prop:P6 ?date .
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  BIND( SUBSTR(str(?date), 0, 11) as ?yearmonthday )
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    { SELECT ?record
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      WHERE {
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      ?record prop:P2 entity:Q2 .
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      ?record prop:P6 ?date .
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      FILTER(?date >= "2024-04-01T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime)
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      FILTER(?date < "2024-05-30T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime)
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    }
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  }
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}
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GROUP BY ?yearmonthday
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ORDER BY (?yearmonthday)
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</query>
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| <= stops on 2024.05.01<br>Note: [[Special:Contributions/Austin Zhang|Austin Zhang]] recorded 174 audios on 05.11
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|}
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Liste des mots à prononcer  ==
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=== Fixed ===
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Both IP ranges 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 and 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33 were subject to global Wikimedia block at one point (see [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Global&oldid=26774369#Unregistered_users_only_block_for_the_range_2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 Global ban range_2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32]). Following our request, the ban have been reconfigured and uploads from LinguaLibre are possible again. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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:I can record and upload since yesterday with my account, so that seems fixed. But it seems the stats are still not updated. [[User:Culex|Culex]] ([[User talk:Culex|talk]]) 12:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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Salut ! Existe-t-il une page où des mots peuvent être ajoutés pour qu'un bon samaritain puisse parler ? [[User:Vivaelcelta|Vivaelcelta]] ([[User talk:Vivaelcelta|talk]]) 11:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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=== Logs ===
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:Bonjour {{u|Vivaelcelta}}, les listes sont faites pour cela. Vous pouvez [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Create_your_own_lists|créer votre propre liste]] qui pourra ensuite être enregistrée par n'importe qui. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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For references, I investigated the relevant block logs and uploads logs for May 2024.<br>Conclusion: the uploads collapse is coherent with the IP Ban. Still, given bug reports from Akamycoco in *March* and 咽頭べさ [[:c:File:Lingua_Libre_error_2024.webm|on step 4]], I suspects other bugs are lingering around.
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:: Merci {{u|Pamputt}}. — [[User:Vivaelcelta|Vivaelcelta]] ([[User talk:Vivaelcelta|talk]]) 22:38, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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{| class=wikitable
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!width=50%| Global IP bans
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F32&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 18:46, 13 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (anonymous users only) (No open proxies <!-- SCLT ID: Possible VPN or Colocation -->)  
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*  [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F32&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 00:51, 10 May 2024] AmandaNP talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (No open proxies <!-- SCLT ID: Possible VPN or Colocation -->) 
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F33&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 17:02, 9 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (anonymous users only) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)  
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F33&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 17:09, 1 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 2 years, 364 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes and 36 seconds (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F33&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 17:09, 1 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)  
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* : [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&translations=filter&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&tagfilter=OAuth+CID%3A+1735&limit=500&days=30&urlversion=2 Uploads via Lingualibre resumed].
  
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== Projet Outils pour la patrouille ==
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13 May 2024
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:''See [[LinguaLibre:Events/Patrol assistance tool prototyping project]].''
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* [... Many more uploads]
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{{LangSwitch
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* Upload log 23:39 Elwinlhq talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q5218 (que)-Elwinlhq-apaqay.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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|fr=Salut,
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* Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded a new version of File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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cette semaine commence un projet menés par des étudiants des formations IARF-RODECO de l’Université Toulouse 3 - Paul Sabatier concernant le prototypage d’outils de patrouille. Je suis, assisté par Adélaïde Calais, le superviseur de ce projet. Les étudiants sont en informatique avec une spécialisation en intelligence artificielle. L’idée est de leur faire prototyper (voire développer) des outils pour aider la patrouille de Lingua Libre en détectant automatiquement toutes sortes de problèmes. Nous avons déjà identifier quelques problèmes : clics, grésillements, bruits parasites et mauvaises prononciations (libellés et enregistrements pas raccord).
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== Kinyarwanda language representation ==
  
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Et nous avons besoin de la communauté sur deux points :
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I'm Robert RUGAMBA from Rwanda and i belong to Wikimedia Rwanda as a volunteer and event organizer.
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# y a-t-il d’autres problèmes auxquels vous pensez ?
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I'm exited to explore this platform of lingua libre and i wish my local languages to be add and represented. the wikidata rabel is: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33573
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# nous avons besoin, pour que les étudiants puissent travailler, d’enregistrements avec défauts. Si vous les avez réenregistrés, c’est pas grave, Commons a un historique. N’hésitez pas à nous communiquer les enregistrements qui ont ou avaient des défauts !
 
  
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Enfin, j’ai créé une page de projet accessible [[Special:MyLanguage/LinguaLibre:Events/Patrol_assistance_tool_prototyping_project|ici]] (page traduite).
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Thanks. [[User:Annick green|Annick green]]
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:{{Done}} This language was already on Lingualibre as [[Q285]]. If you open [[Special:RecordWizard]], at step 2, add it to your list of known languages. Please type in « Kinyarwanda », «Ikinyarwanda » and you should find it. Only user who have declared to know Kinyarwanda can record in Kinyarwanda. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  
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(Si certain·es peuvent traduire ce message en anglais, c’est super cool.)
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== Rename my pseudonym ==
  
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Hello. I've renamed my account on wikimedia sites but can't log in directly from this username here. Do i have something to do ? My old username is '''ElsaBester''' and the new one is '''L'embellie'''. Thanks !
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:Hello [[User:ElsaBester|L'embellie]],
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:I may ping [[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas00]], but I think we don't currently have solution for your issue.
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:We are phasing out this wiki, we hope to release a new Lingualibre this winter or early 2025. So this issue will be irrelevant by then. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 20:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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::Hey there {{ping|ElsaBester|Yug}}. Sorry I don't have a solution, but I found this in the Chat Room's archives: [[LinguaLibre:Chat_room/Archives/2023#Update_my_username]]. Good luck — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::Hello {{ping|ElsaBester}} you may also look at my latest reply on [[User talk:Yug]], it's not a great option but maybe you'll want to try it. All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 12:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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This week, a project lead by student of University Toulouse 3 - Paul Sabatier is starting. It will be about the prototyping of patrolling tools. I supervise this project, assisted by Adélaïde Calais. The students study computer science with a specialization in Artificial Intelligence. The aim is to have them prototyping (or even developing) tools to help Lingua Libre's patrol, by automatically detecting any kind of mistake/error related to the files. We already identified a few types of mistakes: clicks, crackles, pops and labelling issues (wrong label/wrong language).
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== Two French words that are impossible to record ==
  
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We need the community on two points :
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# are there other problems you could think of?
 
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# we need some recordings having issues, in order for the students to be able to work. If you already recorded them again, it is not a big deal, Commons has a file history. Don't hesitate to provide us the files that have or had problems.
 
  
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Lastly, I created a project page, available [[Special:MyLanguage/LinguaLibre:Events/Patrol_assistance_tool_prototyping_project|here]].
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Two words are impossible to record (even before uploading): ''esclavesse'' and ''scribesse'' (all my attempts with other words work). [[User:Avatea|Avatea]] ([[User talk:Avatea|talk]]) 18:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Hi {{ping|Avatea}}. Sorry for the late reply. I couldn't reproduce the issue on my side, as you can see ({{Q|1385666}}, {{Q|1385667}}) I just recorded a few words ending with -esse, including the two words you mention, without encountering any issue. Did you try again recently? All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 14:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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:: Hi {{ping| WikiLucas00}}
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:: No. I just tried, I was able to record another word, but still not those two. [[User:Avatea|Avatea]] ([[User talk:Avatea|talk]]) 19:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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:: After several dozen new recordings (and I had made hundreds of others before), still unable to record these two words. Tested on macOS and Windows. [[User:Avatea|Avatea]] ([[User talk:Avatea|talk]]) 21:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Supprimer deux enregistrements incorrects. ==
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[[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]] ([[User talk:Lepticed7|talk]]) 09:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 
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:Hello [[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]], Translated page —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 19:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 
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::[[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]], [[User:Adélaïde Calais WMFr|Adélaïde]], could you specify the dates for this project ?
 
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::Also, were your point 1 and two answered by the community somewhere ? (If not I could give it a try) [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 13:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
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== Rashidun Caliphate ==
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Bonjour! À cause d'une erreur lors d'écriture et parce que je l'ai fait pressé, j'ai enregistré par erreur deux termes: *"[[Q1387394|escaramón]]" et son pluriel *"[[Q1387395|escaramones]]". Serait-il possible de supprimer ces fichiers enregistrés ? J'ai déjà fait les enregistrements corrects de ces mots bien écrits et avec la prononciation correcte: "[[Q1387396|escamarón]]", "[[Q1387397|escamarones]]". Vous pouvez vérifier l’exactitude de ce terme [https://diccionariu.alladixital.org/index.php?cod=21008 ici]. Désolé pour le dérangement. --[[User:Limotecariu|Limotecariu]] ([[User talk:Limotecariu|talk]]) 20:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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Hello {{ping|Zinou2go}},
 
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[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LL-Q13955_(ara)-Zinou2go-الخلافة_الراشدة.wav LL-Q13955 (ara)-Zinou2go-الخلافة الراشدة.wav] is problematic (currently {{Q|Q204439}} on LiLi): it contains several cuts (clicks). I proposed the file for deletion in Commons. The recordings seem to be working better, could you record Rashidun Caliphate again? I didn't check the other records, but they are likely to have "clicks" as well. Also, can an admin delete this item on LiLi, please? Cordially. —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 15:31, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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:{{ping|Eihel}} Please do not nominate files for deletion before asking for the speaker to record it again and waiting a while for their answer. Also, these recordings will come useful for the team currently working on the audio issues of Lingua Libre, so we'd better not delete them (I thought you read my messages on Discord about this). — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 15:48, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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::{{Ping|WikiLucas00}}, J'ai enlevé la suppression sur Commons. —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 15:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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== Code of Conduct ==
 
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Hi everyone, I just noticed again MediaWiki's [[:mw:Code of Conduct]] (2015) and Wikimedia Foundation's [[:foundation:Universal Code of Conduct]] (2021/02). Back in 2015, 0x010C included the first one as a condition to contribute to [https://github.com/lingua-libre/RecordWizard RecordWizard's codebase]. As far as I know, Lili.org and its community, so far, [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?search=Code+of+conduct has no Code of Conduct]. We may be ''implicitely'' binded by it or by some Wikimedia France's Code of Conduct, but it would be cleaner to ''explicitly'' adopt one and display it here, in written. We could therefor do the following :
 
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# Short round to confirm with have nothing in place so far.
 
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# Vote for 2 months to adopt the most recent [[:foundation:Universal Code of Conduct]] (2021/02)
 
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# Copy the text into [[LinguaLibre:Universal Code of Conduct]].
 
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 14:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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=== Pre-discussion ===
 
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Do we already have a Code of Conduct binding LinguaLibre ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 14:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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''Are you for or against adopting the [[:foundation:Universal Code of Conduct]] (2021) as a code of conduct for LinguaLibre's community ?''<br>
 
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''Possible votes : {{tl|support}} • {{tl|weak support}}  • {{tl|weak oppose}} • {{tl|oppose}}''
 
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* {{Support}} (proposer) — better to be explicit, have a framework in place, just to be clear to all on where we stand. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 14:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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== Lingua Libre website should be more appealing to Language Learners ==
 
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:''See also [https://forvo.com Forvo.com].''
 
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For example, if someone wants to learn how to pronounce "Honoré de Balzac" in French, it would be faster to find the audio on Forvo than on LinguaLibre. Also, Forvo displays the data in a way more appealing to language learners:
 
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'''Would it be possible to improve the way that data is displayed on LinguaLibre to make it more appealing to Language Learners ?'''
 
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''In such way, the number of active users recording audios would increase significantly.'' -- [[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]]
 
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:Some people previously reported such "issue". There is a [[phab:T252319|ticket]] on Phabricator to keep this in mind. However, the priority is currently given to develop patrol tools for Lingua Libre and we do not expect to see major improvements related to the audio brosing in the coming months (at least if we have no more external developers). I think it is like this because Lingua Libre has been though so that it helps for recording, not for listening; the second is let to the other Wikimedia projects, mainly Wiktionaries et Wikidata. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:00, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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::YES ! There are oral discussions and proposals in this direction, but LinguaLibre being a volunteers-based team, we are moving slowly. Forvo is a for-profit entity, it locks the copyright and resale of recordings made on its platform to the speaker-creator and to themselves, to then sell those recordings with a profit. They therefor have money and swift decision making to sustain their UI/UX efforts. We are shorter on those sides.
 
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::'''On the [[LinguaLibre:Explore_the_sound_library|Sound Library]] side''', users can duplicate it and hack it as I did. Copy those codes into your own namespace :
 
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::In those codes, you then have to replace all occurances of "Yug" by your username and it's should work. You can start hacking toward a more elegant interface. Note: the JS copy is in your *personal* JS and has a "stop" condition so the various JS instances won't fight. --[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 16:30, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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== Allow recording only in the user's Native Language to avoid passing "mispronunciations" to Wiktionary ==
 
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I started a discussion on the German Wiktionary because some words on LinguaLibre are not available on the DeWikt. The German Community told me that LinguaLibre adds words into Commons, but the Bot only accepts audios from “few” trusted users using a filter.
 
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The English and German Wiktionaries use a bot called "DerbethBot" to add audios from Commons. However, the English Wiktionary community asked to block Lingua Libre's recordings because there were non-native speakers recording audios and the Bot had no way to differentiate them from Native speakers. After the audios were introduced in the English Wiktionary they had to forbid adding audios from LinguaLibre:
 
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:Hi, this depends on the Wikitionary policy, and it could be different from a language to another one. Anyway, it is already possible to select only recordings done by native speaker. To do that, the speaker has to fill the {{P|16}} property ith the value {{Q|15}} (see for example {{Q|466}}). Other values for {{P|16}} are given [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Q5|here]]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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[[Special:Contributions/Franz.Roos.1955|User:Franz.Roos.1955]] made 2 recordings in [[:en:wp:Sursilvan]] : rauna ([[Q689785]]), ‎tschitta ([[Q689786]]). Sursilvan has no iso code. Do we have a procedure for such languages ? (I forgot if the case already shown up). [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 20:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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:There is not issue. It simply uses the Wikidata identifier when there is no ISO code. Se for example {{Q|1186}}. To record in such languages, we have to create an item for this language/dialect on Lingua Libre, and this is already done for {{Q|74905}}. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 21:59, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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::Thank Pamputt for the clarification. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 23:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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I've been very pleased with LL's tooling, that does so much of the process of uploading to Commons, sensible naming, description-writing, and categorisation for me; however, I have an idea for an additional step LL could automate. This is in Commons' no-longer-so-new structured data section, which manifests (among other ways) as a tab on the file page.
 
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As an example of what could be automatically added to a file's datastore, there is a property called 'audio transcription' which serves a similar role to Commons' TimedText subtitle functionality (silly example: [[commons:TimedText:051226-kakapo-billbooming.ogg.en.srt]]) but for shorter clips -- in other words, seemingly designed with applications like LinguaLibre in mind.
 
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Since these are of the so-called 'monolingual text' datatype, the source language can be specified (or where not part of the main set of languages Wikimedia uses, the special code 'mis' is used and 'language of work or name' used as a qualifier) at the same time as the actual text that is being spoken, which LL has access to since the audio file started out as a text prompt!
 
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What think y'all? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 04:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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:Hi {{u|Arlo Barnes}} there is [[phab:T239272|Phabricator ticket]] about this topic. Currently there are not yet all properties on Wikidata to fit all Lingua Libre properties. For example, I [[d:Wikidata:Property proposal/language level|proposed to create]] a property for the language level of a speaker but it did not get enough support. SO I guess, we should first list all properties we would like to add on SDC. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 07:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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==  [Feature Request] Play next sound automatically while checking recordings ==
 
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After recording sounds it is important to check them to verify their quality. However, it is very tiring to record 380 words and afterwards have to click 380 times on the ''“Next button”'' while checking them.
 
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'''After recording, would it be possible to add a button to "Play next sound automatically" ?''' [https://i.imgur.com/XwC34pj.png Screenshot Here]  [[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]] ([[User talk:Marreromarco|talk]]) 04:09, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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:Agreed, it is already [[phab:T218372|tracked on Phabricator]]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 09:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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== "How to use Lingua Libre for your language learning" ==
 
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* [[:en:wp:GoldenDict|GoldenDict]] is a FOSS Dictionary application very valuable for language learners.
 
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A  way to benefit from Lingua Libre recordings is to download the datasets, unzip them and "load" the sounds on GoldenDict (as Sound Directories. [https://i.imgur.com/9avJDgS.png Screenshot here]). In such a way, users have easily an offline "Pronunciation Dictionary". It is very easy to do. Here is an [https://i.imgur.com/axRHruk.png screenshot] of how it looks to GoldenDict the French word "fuir". Another example [https://i.imgur.com/Rq0nQCt.png here].
 
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''It would be valuable to create a description on the Lingua Libre website about'' '''"How to use Lingua Libre sounds for your language learning"''' .
 
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There it would be possible to describe how to use the audios offline with GoldenDict, etc.  If  more methods are developed (Anki add-on), better GUI, Android App, etc. they could be explained there.--[[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]] ([[User talk:Marreromarco|talk]]) 04:41, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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:1) '''Reuse of datasets :''' Yes ! Dataset download and reuse must be showcasted and strengthened. I think a "Reuses gallery" page could be created, with screenshot and minimal how-to for GoldenDict, Anki and others.
 
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:2) '''Anki:''' You are the 4th or 5th contributor to rise the need for an Anki add-on. We need to do something on this side, yes. It's more than 1~2 days work and too big for a volunteer work, so we need to apply for a grant. I'am looking in and mapping our options at the moment ({{tl|Grants table}}). At one point we have to jump in and design a project, yes.
 
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:3) For '''e-learning app''', a 5k€ project was designed by myself a year ago. The funding by local regional government was declined, but it could easily be refreshed.
 
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:We have to redesign some projects and apply in early 2022. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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::The core question is the Human Resources.
 
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::'''*Daily routines*''' keeps WikiLucas, Pamputt, Poslovitch and myself –aka the community-side contributors— busy maintaining the place, welcoming and guiding new users, cleaning pages, etc. We are now quite smooth, successful and stable on this side.
 
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::To '''*push forward*''' on developments, UI, tools, e-learning, communication, grants, we each have one or two side projects in mind, pushing those <u>''slowly''</u>. But as always in FOSS projects the task ahead is much larger and we could achieve much more with more human resources.
 
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::'''Overall''', it's possible we are at a new turning right now. As things are stable, with road maps available, '''we just need 1 to 3 new coordinators and communicants contributors to tip the dynamic into forward-offensive mode''', with communication therefor new arrivals, new speakers, new devs, new coordinators and really push forward with new events/workshop, funds and SMART features.
 
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::@[[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]], I'am currently writing down structuring "community how to" to ease new contributor's jumping in (see [[LinguaLibre:Roles]], [[LinguaLibre:Workshops]], {{tl|Grants table}}). You are doing a nice push on communication (It's FOSS) and with your questions you are mapping out Lili's needs. Pamputt and WikiLucas are following our progresses. All this is pretty interesting. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:48, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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:'''I would like to work on the "Public Relations" Department of LinguaLibre!''' I promise to contribute during the next 12 months on the "Public Relations". It is typical of FOSS Projects to neglect “advertisements”. I will promote the Project as much as possible in different languages. I can read/understand Spanish, English, Japanese, French and Portuguese (at different levels). I will contact Bloggers and social media influencers (YouTubers) to ask them to talk about Lingua Libre. As an example, this week I made contact with a Brazilian YouTuber that has 500,000 subscribers in his Channel about "Linux". He replied very positively and said that soon it might appear a video in his YouTube Channel. If that person publishes a video, half a million Portuguese speakers could be introduced to Lingua Libre ! That kind of "Public Relations" should be done in many languages! [[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]] ([[User talk:Marreromarco|talk]]) 23:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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::I am back from a wikibreak, I am cleaning up some last pages, then since the maintenance side is stable I would like to focus my energy on projects design –recording rare languages, technology, PR campaign– and associated grant requests to secure funding and the actual realization of those visions. We can collaborate. You lead on the PR : design your campaign. I can review and help it to fit some Grants formats. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 18:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 
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:Hello {{ping|Fredericknoronha}} and welcome to Lingua Libre. I imported {{Q|700683}} (gom) as it was not on Lingua Libre yet. On Lingua Libre, dialects are treated the same way as languages. You can create an element for your dialect on Wikidata (example for [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35359 auvergnat dialect]) and tell us once it is ready, so that we can import it on Lingua Libre with an admin tool. You can also directly create an element for your dialect on Lingua Libre, following the steps described at [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:|Help:Add_a_new_language]] and taking example of {{Q|1186}}. Don't hesitate to ping an admin if you have any questions.
 
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Is the Record Wizard not working for anyone else?

My mic works with mictests.com, but the RecordWizard doesn't pick anything up at the "check your microphone" stage. I've tried on both my phone and my laptop, and I can record sound in both cases, and I have the appropriate permissions enabled, but this particular website isn't detecting sounds. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? Grendelkhan (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello User:Grendelkhan,
I just received a second such report. User also checked mictests.com sucessfully.
On Firefox, Lingua Libre recording studio step 4, the microphone is allowed (we see the red microphone image on the left of the URL address). But after clicking the record button, no recording occurs.
  • Mictests on other site : successful.
  • Device: Notebook
  • OS: ?
  • Browser: Firefox, Chrome.
  • User: User:Akamycoco.
  • Languages affected: all.
  • Dates : Worked on February 28. Stopped working on February 29.
Let's starts an investigation. Could you let me know your OS and precise web browser version ? (Help > About Chrome or similar)
Let me know as well if you have basic developer skills to Right-click on the staled page > Inspect > Console : are there any error message ? Yug (talk) 07:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
My laptop is using Google Chrome 122.0.6261.94 (Official Build) (64-bit) on Linux (Debian Testing). No error messages in the console when I attempt the recording. My phone is using Chrome 122.0.6261.90 on Android 14 on a Pixel 5a. It does seem to work on Firefox 115.7.0esr (64-bit) on my laptop. (I really should have checked that before.) So maybe this is solely a Chrome problem? Grendelkhan (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Automatic categorization isn't documented.

So far as I can tell, this isn't documented: if, for user Foo, category Lingua Libre pronunciation by Foo exists on Commons, then all uploads will be categorized into that category. This is helpful! It's also easy to backfill after the fact using commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot. I'm not sure where to document this, but it seems reasonable to do so somewhere. Grendelkhan (talk) 16:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Understanding lingua-libre

Hi, I am creating this discussion to understand lingua-libre better

Uploads are failing

TLDR: Large amount of users reporting failure to upload at step 5 : Grendelkhan, Culex, XANA000, Ardzun (Indonesian languages), Penn Zero MSSJ, User:Univòc64 (Whistled Occitan) and User:Akamycoco (Taiwanese languages). This likely only tip of iceberg. Only few users were able to record in May, with atypically low number of recordings. Indonesia workshop with ~15 participants critically affected. Investigation ongoing. Hugo en résidence (talk) 14:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I can record words, but uploading them to Commons fails. The JavaScript console has the following message:

Your IP address is in a range that has been blocked on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis. The block was made by ‪EPIC‬. The reason given is Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected. * Start of block: 10:09, 1 May 2024 * Expiry of block: 10:09, 1 May 2027 Your current IP address is 2001:41d0:304:100::4790. The blocked range is ‪2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33‬. Please include all above details in any queries you make. If you believe you were blocked by mistake, you can find additional information and instructions in the No open proxies global policy. Otherwise, to discuss the block please post a request for review on Meta-Wiki. You could also send an email to the stewards VRT queue at "stewards@wikimedia.org" including all above details.`, blockinfo: {…}, "*": "See https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at <https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/mediawiki-api-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/> for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."

This is not my IP address shown in the error message, and whatismyip confirms that I'm not behind a proxy. The Global block request is here. Is this affecting anyone else? I lost a heap of recordings. Grendelkhan (talk) 22:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Uploads are failing for me today too, even though I am recording with my account. Culex (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Idem--XANA000 (talk) 16:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I can record, but i couldn’t uploaded until today. I was able to upload once yesterday, but after that I couldn't upload any more. Ardzun (talk) 06:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I guess I'm not the only one who's been trying for weeks but could not publish audio after 1 May. Hope someone can fix it. Penn Zero MSSJ (talk) 20:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Univòc64 (Whistled occitan) and User:Akamycoco (Taiwanese languages) also reported issues.
It seems time to add a sitenotice warning. Hugo en résidence (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
In may we have mostly : 556 recordings by 7 users on May 1th, 174 recordings on May 11th (Austin Zhang), then nothing.
If we compare with known monthly recordings, our average months recently was 30k audios, the lowest ones were 5k audios, May 2024 is heading toward 1200 audios or 5% of the average month and 20% of the lowest months. Something weird is going on indeed.
Most prolific speakers for the current month Months since 2022
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{ date:2022-01, records: 21290, speakers: 46, languages: 28 },
{ date:2022-02, records: 3894, speakers: 40, languages: 17 },
{ date:2022-03, records: 8357, speakers: 61, languages: 21 },
{ date:2022-04, records: 5454, speakers: 34, languages: 18 },
{ date:2022-05, records: 4702, speakers: 59, languages: 30 },
{ date:2022-06, records: 7675, speakers: 41, languages: 18 },
{ date:2022-07, records: 4364, speakers: 37, languages: 22 },
{ date:2022-08, records: 9544, speakers: 45, languages: 23 },
{ date:2022-09, records: 5802, speakers: 113, languages: 30 },
{ date:2022-10, records: 6931, speakers: 74, languages: 32 },
{ date:2022-11, records: 8461, speakers: 54, languages: 34 },
{ date:2022-12, records: 11882, speakers: 54, languages: 23 },
{ date:2023-01, records: 18150, speakers: 48, languages: 29 },
{ date:2023-02, records: 32441, speakers: 65, languages: 29 },
{ date:2023-03, records: 11527, speakers: 61, languages: 30 },
{ date:2023-04, records: 8451, speakers: 58, languages: 35 },
{ date:2023-05, records: 21282, speakers: 97, languages: 49 },
{ date:2023-06, records: 17940, speakers: 56, languages: 35 },
{ date:2023-07, records: 75825, speakers: 74, languages: 38 },
{ date:2023-08, records: 32681, speakers: 54, languages: 30 },
{ date:2023-09, records: 28813, speakers: 114, languages: 30 },
{ date:2023-10, records: 60317, speakers: 167, languages: 47 },
{ date:2023-11, records: 49704, speakers: 140, languages: 55 },
{ date:2023-12, records: 42383, speakers: 114, languages: 41 },
{ date:2024-01, records: 40572, speakers: 112, languages: 40 },
{ date:2024-02, records: 22385, speakers: 197, languages: 57 },
{ date:2024-03, records: 16997, speakers: 173, languages: 48 },
{ date:2024-04, records: 8733, speakers: 117, languages: 42 },
{ date:2024-05, records: 556, speakers: 7, languages: 7 }
Daily recordings over April and May 2024
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 <= stops on 2024.05.01
Note: Austin Zhang recorded 174 audios on 05.11

Yug (talk) 10:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed

Both IP ranges 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 and 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33 were subject to global Wikimedia block at one point (see Global ban range_2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32). Following our request, the ban have been reconfigured and uploads from LinguaLibre are possible again. Yug (talk) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I can record and upload since yesterday with my account, so that seems fixed. But it seems the stats are still not updated. Culex (talk) 12:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Logs

For references, I investigated the relevant block logs and uploads logs for May 2024.
Conclusion: the uploads collapse is coherent with the IP Ban. Still, given bug reports from Akamycoco in *March* and 咽頭べさ on step 4, I suspects other bugs are lingering around.

Global IP bans Lingualibre uploads logs
  • 18:46, 13 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (anonymous users only) (No open proxies )
  • 00:51, 10 May 2024 AmandaNP talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (No open proxies )
  • 17:02, 9 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (anonymous users only) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
  • 17:09, 1 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 2 years, 364 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes and 36 seconds (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
  • 17:09, 1 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)

13 May 2024

  • [... Many more uploads]
  • Upload log 23:39 Elwinlhq talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q5218 (que)-Elwinlhq-apaqay.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded a new version of File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 16:38 Oh! Tea[1] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-sih8 buh8 sah8 nah4.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

11 May 2024

  • Upload log 20:21 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-buah8.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • []... +172 recording by User:Oh! Tea]
  • Upload log 18:56 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-a2.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

10 May 2024

  • Upload log 06:08 CapitainAfrika[2] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36217 (lin)-CapitainAfrika-Wiki na monɔkɔ mua bísó.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 00:14 Ardzun[3] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q13324 (min)-Ardzun-mada.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

9 May 2024

  • Upload log 17:08 Àncilu[4] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-orsù.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 17:05 Àncilu talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-frac.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

5 May 2024

  • Upload log 21:15 Benoît Prieur[5] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q8785 (hye)-Benoît Prieur-Artsakh.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

1 May 2024

  • Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ[6] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hệ số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hỗn số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hằng đẳng thức.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • [... Many more uploads]
  1. ↑ Commons > User:Oh!_Tea : « nothing » on Commons
  2. ↑ Commons > User:CapitainAfrika : « IP block exempt » on Commons
  3. ↑ Commons > User:Ardzun : « nothing »
  4. ↑ Commons > User:Àncilu : « Autopatroller » on Commons
  5. ↑ Commons > User:Benoît_Prieur : « Administrator » on Commons
  6. ↑ Commons > User:Penn Zero MSSJ : « nothing » on Commons

Yug (talk) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Kinyarwanda language representation

I'm Robert RUGAMBA from Rwanda and i belong to Wikimedia Rwanda as a volunteer and event organizer. I'm exited to explore this platform of lingua libre and i wish my local languages to be add and represented. the wikidata rabel is: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33573

Thanks. Annick green

Check-green.svg Done This language was already on Lingualibre as Kinyarwanda (Q285). If you open Special:RecordWizard, at step 2, add it to your list of known languages. Please type in « Kinyarwanda », «Ikinyarwanda » and you should find it. Only user who have declared to know Kinyarwanda can record in Kinyarwanda. Yug (talk) 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Rename my pseudonym

Hello. I've renamed my account on wikimedia sites but can't log in directly from this username here. Do i have something to do ? My old username is ElsaBester and the new one is L'embellie. Thanks !

Hello L'embellie,
I may ping WikiLucas00, but I think we don't currently have solution for your issue.
We are phasing out this wiki, we hope to release a new Lingualibre this winter or early 2025. So this issue will be irrelevant by then. Yug (talk) 20:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Hey there @ElsaBester & Yug . Sorry I don't have a solution, but I found this in the Chat Room's archives: LinguaLibre:Chat_room/Archives/2023#Update_my_username. Good luck — WikiLucas (🖋️) 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ElsaBester you may also look at my latest reply on User talk:Yug, it's not a great option but maybe you'll want to try it. All the best — WikiLucas (🖋️) 12:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Two French words that are impossible to record

Hi,

Two words are impossible to record (even before uploading): esclavesse and scribesse (all my attempts with other words work). Avatea (talk) 18:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Avatea . Sorry for the late reply. I couldn't reproduce the issue on my side, as you can see (esclavesse (Q1385666), scribesse (Q1385667)) I just recorded a few words ending with -esse, including the two words you mention, without encountering any issue. Did you try again recently? All the best — WikiLucas (🖋️) 14:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi @WikiLucas00
No. I just tried, I was able to record another word, but still not those two. Avatea (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
After several dozen new recordings (and I had made hundreds of others before), still unable to record these two words. Tested on macOS and Windows. Avatea (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Supprimer deux enregistrements incorrects.

Bonjour! À cause d'une erreur lors d'écriture et parce que je l'ai fait pressé, j'ai enregistré par erreur deux termes: *"escaramón" et son pluriel *"escaramones". Serait-il possible de supprimer ces fichiers enregistrés ? J'ai déjà fait les enregistrements corrects de ces mots bien écrits et avec la prononciation correcte: "escamarón", "escamarones". Vous pouvez vérifier l’exactitude de ce terme ici. Désolé pour le dérangement. --Limotecariu (talk) 20:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

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