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Welcome to the Chat room! Place used to discuss any and all aspects of Lingua Libre: the project itself, discussions of the operations, policy and proposals, technical issues, etc. Other forums include for code-oriented issues, . Feel free to participate in any language you want to.

 
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== How to download all audios of one language ? By speaker ? ==
 
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Per above title ! [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 
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:Hi [[user:Yug|Yug]]. AFAIK, It is [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T196500 not yet possible]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 05:28, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 
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::See [[LinguaLibre:Chat_room#Technews]] and [https://lingualibre.fr/datasets/ https://lingualibre.fr/datasets/] [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 14:09, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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== Utiliser le Lingua Libre Bot dans l'incubator:shy ==
 
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Est-ce que c'est possible de faire la même chose pour le wiktionnaire en Chaoui ? je veux dir est-il il possible d'utiliser votre bot sur notre wiktionnaire aussi ? je peux donner l'algorithme du [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/shy wiki-test]. Cordialement. -[[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 12:32, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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:Oui bien sur ! Avez-vous un bistro / village pump / ... pour en discuter là-bas ? — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 15:24, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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::Oui il y a un bistro vierge du [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wt/shy/Asebtar_amenzu wiktionnaire Chaoui] que vous pouvez activer. Ou bien celui de [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Community_Portal l'incubator] où en peut discuter avec des administrateurs à propos de l'autorisation du bot. Cordialement. -[[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 18:26, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::Je suis en ce moment en chemin pour Wikimania, je vais n'avoir que très peu de temps jusque là, mais je lancerais la discussion à mon retour. Cordialement — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 11:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::: Bon voyage.--[[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 21:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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[[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] J'espère que vous m'avez pas oublié =) Car en septembre on lance un concours pour le wiktionnaire en Chaoui, et si on peut enregistrer des mots qui vont passer directement sur incubateur, je fais la promo de Lingualibre en même temps que la promo du concours.--[[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 14:01, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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== Liste sur le modèle de Petscan ==
 
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Salut, est ce qu'il serait possible de faire une liste à la volée sur le modèle de ce qu'est capable de faire Petscan ? [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?language=fr&project=wiktionary&categories=Lemmes%20en%20fran%C3%A7ais&negcats=Prononciations%20audio%20en%20fran%C3%A7ais&ns%5B0%5D=1&search_max_results=500&interface_language=fr&&doit= Ici], on a la liste de tous les lemmes du Wiktionnaire qui n'ont pas de catégorie « Prononciations audio en français » ce qui signifie qu'il n'ont pas le modèle « écouter » qui permet d'ajouter les entrées dans cette catégorie. Je trouve que la génération d'une telle liste serait vraiment sympa pour les Wiktionnaires. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 06:07, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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:L'idée est bonne en effet, cependant ça représente un gros boulot à intégrer sur Lingua Libre. Je pense qu'il serait intéressant d'en discuter un peu et d'établir un petit cahier des charges de ce que l'on veut pouvoir faire (tout dans petscan n'est pas utile ici). — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 22:00, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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::[[User:0x010C|0x010C]], est ce que tu penses que l'exemple que j'ai donné ci-dessus (lemmes en français qui n'ont pas de prononciation) peut être implémenté à partir de [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Demo.js]]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 14:23, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::Oui c'est exactement ça, il faut passer par la création d'un nouveau générateur de mots. Dans mon début de réflexion plus haut, je réfléchissais à comment implémenter les fonctionnalités de petscan dans un générateur. Sauf que niveau performance et rapidité, on pourrait jamais faire quelque chose d'utilisateur avec des catégories aussi grosse que "Lemmes en français", je m'explique. Petscan fait son travail de recherche et de recoupement côté serveur, directement sur une copie de la base de donnée des wikis (il peut ainsi en un coup explorer tous les enregistrements). Or ici, nous n'avons pas d'accès à la base de donnée et les calculs doivent être fait côté client, en javascript. On dépend donc de l'API des wikis en question pour récupérer les données, API qui n'est pas du tout faite pour travailler sur des catégories très grosses (ne peut retourner que 500 membres par requête, etc).
 
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::: Bref, c'est pas possible. Cependant, on peut imaginer se reposer sur petscan pour faire le boulot chiant à notre place (ce générateur deviendrait complètement dépendant de cet outil externe, une panne de ce dernier bloquerait le fonctionnement du premier). Je vois trois options :
 
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:::# le générateur reprend un certain nombre de champs de petscan, et va à partir des valeurs fournies générer une requête à petscan (complexe pour l'utilisateur lambda, flexible pour l'utilisateur expérimenté) ;
 
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:::# le générateur propose à l'utilisateur de choisir parmi un certain nombre de requêtes petscan préparé à l'avance par nos soins (par exemple en cliquant sur "mots en français n'ayant pas de prononciation sur le wiktionnaire francophone", ta requête exposé plus haut serait utilisé), ou de coller l'URL / l'identifiant d'une requête qu'il a préparé / trouvé (plus simple à implémenter, nous oblige à créer pleins de requêtes pour supporter différentes langues, assez flexible) ;
 
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:::# on fait un générateur spécialisé "mots dont la prononciation est manquante" où il va automatiquement forger la requête petscan pour faire comme dans ton exemple pour la langue sélectionnée (facile d'utilisation, très spécifique mais potentiellement très utile, nous obligerait à renseigner manuellement les catégories wiktionnaire correspondante car je ne vois aucun moyen de deviner le nom de la catégorie d'une langue à partir de son code ou son id wikidata...)
 
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:::Qu'en penses-tu ?
 
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:::— [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 02:53, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::La première proposition me semble trop usine à gaz et bien que puissante, je ne pense pas qu'elle s'adresse au public de Lingua Libre.Entre les propositions 2 et 3, j'ai une préférence pour la 2 car elle est simple d'utilisation au premier abord (on utilise des requêtes pré-forgées) tout en permettant une utilisation avancée (avantage de la solution 1). Et par rapport à la solution 3, ça évite de la maintenance pour déterminer la langue d'une catégorie donc c'est plus maintenable sur le long terme à mon avis. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 06:23, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::::@[[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]]: Entre deux avions, je viens de finir une première version du générateur petscan, activable via [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|préférences > gadgets]]. Est-ce que tu peux y jetter un œil et me dire ce que tu en penses avant que je continue et que je l'annonce plus largement ?
 
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:::::Merci — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 08:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::::[[User:0x010C|0x010C]], j'ai activé le gadget et je vois bien PetScan dans la liste. J'ai fait quelques essais et ça fonctionne bien. J'ai essayé avec l'URL du premier message et ça fonctionne nickel. En revanche, j'ai essayé avec [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?language=fr&project=wiktionary&categories=Adjectifs%20en%20fran%C3%A7ais&negcats=Prononciations%20audio%20en%20fran%C3%A7ais&ns%5B0%5D=1&search_max_results=500&interface_language=en&active_tab= ça] et ça m'indique "Petscan output something weired with this URL, check it and come back afterwards.". En revanche si j'ajoute le « &doit= » à la fin, ça fonctionne correctement (est-il vraiment nécessaire) ?
 
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::::::Autre point, cest-ce qu'il est déjà possible de préparer des requêtes pré-faites (« mots en français n'ayant pas de prononciation sur le wiktionnaire francophone », ...) ou pas encore ? En l'état c'est déjà super cool. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 17:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::::::J'avais oublié que cetaines URL pouvaient ne pas avoir l'auto-run, c'est fix. Je réfléchis actuellement à la meilleur façon de faire en fait. Ma problématique, c'est qu'une requête comme « mots en français n'ayant pas de prononciation sur le wiktionnaire francophone » n'intéressera que ceux qui font des enregitrements en français, si un germanophone dois scroller 25 requêtes qui le concerne pas (et qu'il ne comprend surement pas) avant d'en trouver une en allemand, c'est pas cool pour lui.
 
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:::::::De là, trois idées qui me viennent en écrivant ces lignes :
 
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:::::::* Une page par langue, dans l'espace de nom list ([[List:fra]] ? [[List:fra-external]] ? [[List:fra-examples]] ? ...) qui regroupe via une liste à puce toutes les urls dispo pour une langue ;
 
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:::::::* Une fois ce travail fait, ce n'est pas très compliqué de supporter d'autres outils externes qui peuvent être appelé via une URL et renvoyer le résultat en JSON ; je pense notamment à querry.wikidata.org ;
 
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:::::::* Et là, plus une réflexion, est-ce que ça serait pertinent une fois que ça sera stable de l'intégrer au générateur "listes" actuel (genre avoir deux onglets dedans, "listes statique", "listes dynamiques/externes/..." ?), ou l'intégrer comme un nouveau générateur à part entière dans le core du RecordWizard ? (et du coup comment le nommer dans ce cas ?)
 
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:::::::Un avis externe me serait bien utile pour trancher tout cela :) — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 19:52, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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== Variations géographiques ==
 
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Bravo pour ce projet très intéressant.
 
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Je me pose une question à propos des prononciations. Je suis du sud de la France et contrairement à une bonne partie du reste de la France, nous usons beaucoup de l'accent tonique (influence italienne et espagnole, j'imagine). Du coup, la prononciation de certains mots, et surtout des locutions, ont une rythmique différente par chez moi.
 
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Comment gérer ces variations de prononciation ? Ont-elles droit de cité ou comme les québécois doit-on privilégier un "Français international" neutre ?
 
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Pour finir sur le sujet, la prononciation de certains mots sont différentes chez nous : lait, mas, moins (avec un s !), etc. Comment intégrer ça dans Wiktionnaire ou Wikipédia ?
 
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[[User:Jpgibert|Jpgibert]] ([[User talk:Jpgibert|talk]]) 12:02, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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:Bonjour,
 
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:Merci pour ton intérêt !
 
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:Non, il ne faut surtout pas privilégier un français "''neutre''". Chaque variation / accent locale est intéressent. En fait, juste avant de commencer à enregistrer il t'es demandé de remplir ton profil de locuteur, dans lequel tu peux renseigner ton lieu d'habitation / d'apprentissage d'une langue.
 
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:Lorsqu'un enregistrement est ajouté ensuite sur le Wiktionnaire par exemple, cette information y est inclu. Si plusieurs personnes ont enregistré les même mots, on pourra donc écouter les différences de prononciation de « lait » en Alsace, au Québec, en Occitanie, en Île de France, au Mali,... Et ça c'est cool :)
 
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:Cela répond à tes questions ?
 
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:Cordialement — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 21:55, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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::Bonjour [[User:0x010C]]
 
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::Merci pour la réponse. Je m'inquiétais de la chose parce que s'il existe un code linguistique pour les variations du français au Québec (fr-CA) ou de Belgique (fr-BE), en revanche l'accent n'est pas pris en compte.
 
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::Content d'apprendre que malgré mon accent, je serai le bienvenu. Bon pour le moment, faut que j'achète un bon micro avant de faire quoi que ce soit, mais dès que j'aurai ça, je tenterai de partager mon accent méridional.
 
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::[[User:Jpgibert|Jpgibert]] ([[User talk:Jpgibert|talk]]) 12:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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== How to add missing languages ? ==
 
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:See [[Help:Add_a_new_language]], for administrators. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 17:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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I couln't find this language on lingua libre : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Min
 
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Could you investigate, and explain. There are [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formosan_languages#List_of_languages 16 Taiwanese languages] to check. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:55, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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* Need this as well : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baoul%C3%A9_language bci
 
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:I'll import them as soon as I'm back to my laptop, in ~2h30. @[[User:Yug|Yug]], Can you give me a direct link to each languages you want me to import? — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 12:49, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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::Both linked languages are now available on Lingua Libre. :)
 
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::Best regards — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 15:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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Hello @[[User:0x010C]], could you add the following languages :
 
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* living aboriginal languages alive : ami, tay, bnn, xnb, ckv, pwn, pyu, dru, sxr, xsy, trv, ssf, tsu, tao
 
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* Sino-Taiwanese languages : cmn, nan, hak.
 
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So Taiwanese linguists could work peacefully as needed. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 13:20, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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:Hello @[[User:0x010C]], did I miss something in my guidances to you ? I search within the Recorder wizard but the autocompletion fail to return me a result for the iso:
 
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:* Taiwan  needed: ami ([https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q715760 Q715760]), tay (Q715766), bnn (Q56505), xnb (Q172244), ckv (Q716627), pwn (Q715755), pyu (Q716690), dru (Q49232), sxr (Q716599), xsy (Q716695), trv (Q716686), ssf (Q676492), tsu (Q716681), tao (Q715760).
 
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:* Chineses needed: hak Q33375.
 
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:* Chineses which are already in : cmn (Chinese), nan (Southern Min)
 
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:I tested the record wizard by typing both iso639 codes and Plain English names. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:11, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::[[Help:Add_a_new_language]] explains how to request a new language. I have done it for all your requests (see [[Special:RecentChanges]] for details). [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 17:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::Thanks [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ! [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 17:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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== Thésaurus ==
 
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Durant la vidéo de présentation du projet par [[user:Lyokoï|Lyokoï]] ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p_z3jyihwU LetsContribute6]), j'ai appris qu'on pouvait générer des listes de mots à partir de catégories. Serait-il possible de faire le même genre de chose à partir d'un thésaurus ? Question subsidiaire, est-ce que ça à un intérêt ?
 
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[[User:Jpgibert|Jpgibert]] ([[User talk:Jpgibert|talk]]) 12:39, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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:Ca pourrait effectivement être intéressant même si c'est plus compliqué à coder (j'imagine). Juste pour donner un exemple pour ceux qui ne voient pas ce dont il est question, on peut aller voir [https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9saurus:pain/fran%C3%A7ais ici]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 21:30, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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== General issues + issues with Odia and Asian writing systems ==
 
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I loved the current version! Truly admire the changes you all have made over time.
 
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I have also done a few recordings in my own language Odia to check for any error. Below are a few:
 
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# When a word has already been recorded and has been uploaded on Commons, does is not make sense to show it as a flag instead of letting any user to upload it directly?
 
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# Also, different languages have different additional categories which Lingua Libre does not let one to add. For instance, I generally add a user category to know how many audio files I have uploaded. For the files recorded using Lingua Libre, I don't see an option to add that optional category.
 
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# If I am adding a wordlist before recording, is that possible to keep only one word if the same word is used multiple times? This would save some time for the uploader.
 
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# There is a bit of crackling sound that is heard while monitoring the recorded words. Any particular reason?
 
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# Even though I am correctly pronouncing every word, I see a lot of red-labelled words.
 
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# While recording, I cannot check how the recording sounds like. I can only choose to re-record after hearing the recorded sound. Otherwise even having that option is of no use.
 
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# While recording each word is seen as a green button and during the recording the word is underlined. This works well for Latin-based scripts. However for my script, Odia, and even many other Asian languages, this is a problem as we have diacritics and accent marks below the character. It becomes too hard at times to read when underlined. Also, the light green color and a white background is not accessible to people with corrections or color blindness. Maybe black background with white text will create more contrast and make it easier to read.
 
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# When you reach the last word of a batch and want to re-record that word, it doesn't allow you to click on the word button and re-record.
 
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Also, requesting to add the Warang Citi (used for Ho language) and Ol Chiki (used for Santali language).
 
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Thank you much again. I would really love to contribute more myself, and involve other community members. --[[User:Psubhashish|Psubhashish]] ([[User talk:Psubhashish|talk]]) 07:21, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 
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:First of all, thanks for your feedbacks, that's really helpful. Here are some details about your remarks:
 
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:# In my opinion, it is interesting to have several records of the same word by different users, the naming convention takes this into account to avoid records to be overridden by another user. But as I'm not sure I understood this point very well, don't hesitate to clarify it if my answer is mistaken.
 
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:# [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201135 T201135]
 
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:# If I have correctly understood your point, that's already the case. You can't add duplicate words in the same record batch (if you try to do so, the second one will be dismissed).
 
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:# It's just a small file-loading issue, it will be fixed soon, see [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201136 T201136]
 
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:# This is a major issue I'm already aware of. In some cases (~ 1 word out of 100), for some unknown reason, MediaWiki is mistaken in taking WAV files for executable files, so it refuses them...
 
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:# I'll try to add a way to listen the records while still in the recording studio.
 
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:# I wasn't aware of that particularities, I'll remove the underline. I'm not so fond of the white text on black, but I'll try to find something more accessible.
 
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:# Hum, this works well with me. When you have recorded the last word, the record automatically cuts off, did you click on the big red button to enable it again?
 
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:I've imported the Ho language, which was missing from Lingua Libre, but the two writing system you've mentionned are part of Unicode and should works, am I wrong?
 
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:Best regards — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 08:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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== Translation ==
 
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Hi, how can I translate the LinguaLibre page into other language?. Thanks. [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 11:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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:Hi! Translations are located in several places, the following help page explains how to edit each parts :) [[Help:Translate]]. Best regards — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 08:49, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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::Thank you! The problem is that I don´t find the "Translate this page" message in all pages. Best, [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 12:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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::: Which pages do you want to translate ? It depends, and for some of them, we need to create a sub page here :) <span style="color: #00A99D;">[[User:GrandCelinien|Grand]]Celinien</span> ([[User_talk:GrandCelinien|talk]]) 22:22, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::I would like to translate the main page, get involved and sound library, in order to facilitate the dissemination of the project and participation in it. [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 19:01, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::::: Hello, i've seen your message ; I think you have to get admin rights to translate (at least) the main page ! So i've sent a email to 0x010C last week, waiting for an answer ^^ <span style="color: #00A99D;">[[User:GrandCelinien|Grand]]Celinien</span> ([[User_talk:GrandCelinien|talk]]) 15:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::::: [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]], to translate the main page in your language, you have to create several page like [[MediaWiki:Mainpage/es]] (from [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]]), [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-top/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-principle/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-help/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-bottom/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-credit/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-recordwizard/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-quoteblock/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-welcome/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-motto/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-goal/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-middle2/es]], [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-about/es]]. Maybe I miss some. To get the name of all pages to translate, you can have a look on the [//lingualibre.fr/index.php?title=LinguaLibre:Main_Page&action=edit code of the main page]. Yet, as said by GrandCelinien, I do not know whether you can create these pages. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::::::Thanks to both of you. I tried but I can´t create those pages, so I guess I should have admin rights on Commons?. [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 01:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::::::: Right, common user cannot edit in the MediaWiki namespace. To do it, you have to get the admin rights here (not on Commons). We are looking for the creation of a translator right for users so that they can edit these pages. [[User:0x010C]] may speak more about that. For now, you can put here the Spanish translation for each Mediawiki page and I will copy them in order Lingua Libre be in SPanish for you and others. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 12:18, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::::::::Great to know about the translation right. Meanwhile I will do as you suggest, paste here the translation. Thank you! [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 21:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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[[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]], this is the translation:
 
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'''Lingua Libre'''
 
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Lingua Libre es una beta abierta. Ten en cuenta que todavía pueden producirse fallos. Por favor, comparte tus comentarios aquí!
 
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Bienvenido a Lingua Libre!
 
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Lingua Libre es una biblioteca de grabaciones de audio que todo el mundo puede completar con palabras, proverbios, frases, etc.
 
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Lingua Libre ha sido diseñada para que cualquier persona pueda transmitir a las generaciones futuras el frágil tesoro de la oralidad.
 
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Las palabras, frases, expresiones recogidas gracias a ti mejorarán algunos proyectos de Wikimedia (como Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons o Wiktionario) y ayudarán a los especialistas en su trabajo.
 
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Descubre el proyecto | Graba voces | Sala de chat
 
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Acerca de
 
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Este ambicioso proyecto tiene como objetivo reunir un corpus de audio único que ayudará a dar visibilidad a las lenguas minoritarias y regionales mediante la mejora de las diferentes versiones lingüísticas de Wikipedia y el suministro de material de audio para ilustrar las entradas de Wikcionario.
 
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'''Involúcrate'''
 
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'''Asistente de grabaciones'''
 
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Tutorial
 
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Comprueba tu micrófono:
 
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Cuando estés listo, presiona el botón de arriba para iniciar una prueba de grabación.
 
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Pronuncia una palabra en voz alta, por ejemplo "sol".
 
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Escucha la grabación para comprobar que es correcta
 
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Adapta la configuración de tu micrófono si es necesario
 
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Si todo es correcto, puedes continuar con el siguiente paso!
 
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Si necesitas ayuda para configurar el micrófono, puedes consultar esta página de ayuda.
 
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Speaker
 
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Perfil a usar:
 
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Tu perfil principal
 
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Otros perfiles
 
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Crea un nuevo perfil
 
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Detalles
 
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Shuffle list = Lista aleatoria
 
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Nearby ítems = Elementos cercanos
 
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'''Biblioteca de audios'''
 
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'''Lista de grabaciones'''
 
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Filtres - Filtros
 
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Speaker - Locutor
 
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Language - Idioma
 
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Language level - Nivel de comprensión: beginner - principiante, average level - nivel medio, good level - nivel alto, native - nativo
 
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Transcription - Transcripción
 
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Filtrer - Filtrar!
 
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'''Lista de locutores'''
 
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Speaker username - Nombre del locutor
 
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Place of residence - Lugar de residencia
 
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'''Estadísticas'''
 
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Number of records per languages - Número de grabaciones por idioma
 
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The most prolific speakers - Locutores más prolíficos
 
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Number of records - Número de grabaciones
 
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The most recorded words - Palabras más grabadas
 
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Number of records - Número de grabaciones
 
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There is an extra "a" in the Speakers list page. If there are problems with the translation, please let me know. [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 18:34, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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:[[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]], I will import your translations on Sunday. If you have time before, could you tell me, for each translation, which page it is about (for example [[MediaWiki:Mainpage-motto/es]], ...). [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 23:49, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::Thank you [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]]; I translated several pages and, on each page, titles and paragraphs; Lingua libre is the main page, Involúcrate is Get involved (inside it, asistente de grabaciones), sound library is Biblioteca de audios (inside it, Lista de grabaciones, Lista de locutores y Estadísticas). I don´t know what MediaWiki page are. If it is not clear, I can add the text in English next to the translation. [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 02:13, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::Yes adding the English text next to the Spanish translation would help me. I understand a little bit Spanish so I can match Spanish translation with the original English page but any help would be nice ;) [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 08:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::I reviewed the Main page and it is perfect! The Asistente de grabaciones doesn´t work right now. I added the English text to the translations for the sound library part. [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 12:22, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::: The Record Wizard is back. However, to translate the Record Wizard interface, this is done on [https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=mwgithub-recordwizard&language=es&filter=%21translated&action=translate translatewiki.net]. So you can do it by yourself over there. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 20:16, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::::I translated it on Translatewiki.net, after get the rights, but the record assistant section is still in English. How long does it take to update?. On the other hand, can you change, in the main page, Bienvenido a Lingua Libre --> ¡Bienvenido/a a Lingua Libre! [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 18:50, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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Hi again [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]], I´m recording some audios for the first time but, after record them, it says: None of the uploads were successful, and the message Reintentar carga fallida. What could be the problem?. [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 14:56, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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:I have created [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T209883 a Phabricator ticket] to track this issue. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 21:16, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::Thank you!. There are some parts to be translated and I don´t know how to do it in translatewiki: the tutorial of the record assistant and the filtres at the sound library section. [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 20:15, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::[[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]], it works again, thank you, I recorded my first audios :). About the tutorial of the record assistant and the filtres, where can I translate them?. [[User:Rodelar|Rodelar]] ([[User talk:Rodelar|talk]]) 21:48, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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== A new tool ==
 
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Hi all,
 
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I've just released a new gadget (only available for the sysops at the moment) which add a new option in the tool menu to automatically import a new language from its Wikidata ID.
 
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Have a nice day — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 14:37, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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Je viens juste de publier un nouveau gadget (disponible uniquement pour les administrateurs pour le moment) qui ajoute une nouvelle option dans le menu ''outil'' afin d'importer en un clic une nouvelle langue à partir de son identifiant Wikidata.
 
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Bonne journée — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 14:37, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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: C'est cool et ça sera sûrement très utile. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 20:32, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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::[[User:0x010C|0x010C]] je n'arrive pas à voir où se trouve ce menu « outil » ? Tu aurais un lien ? Merci d'avance. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 10:09, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::@ [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] : Il faut d'abord activer le gadget dans tes préférences pour pouvoir voir le lien. Le menu outils c'est celui en haut à droite, la petite icône avec des engrenages.
 
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:::Cordialement — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 10:47, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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::::Ok c'est bon, j'ai trouvé. Merci :) [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 21:54, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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== Première utilisation : quelques questionnements ==
 
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Bonjour !
 
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Tout d'abord, merci beaucoup pour ce super outil !
 
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J'ai remarqué quelques difficultés à l'usage. Peut-être que c'est juste parce que je suis nouvelle et pas au courant de toutes les options, mais voilà ma liste :
 
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# Sur une liste de 20 mots, il faut généralement que je reprenne l'enregistrement manuellement trois ou quatre fois parce que l'outil décide soudain de ne plus enregistrer. Quand je sélectionne un mot, même en cliquant sur le gros bouton rouge, il y a à peu près une chance pour deux pour que l'enregistrement se lance.
 
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# Mes mots sont très souvent coupés au début et à la fin (pour les noms propres en deux ou trois mots surtout) : peut-être qu'il serait pertinent d'avoir un petit bouton "next" pour marquer manuellement les fins de mots ? Sur 20 mots enregistrés, entre ceux que l'outil n'a pas envie de me laisser enregistrer (cf #1) et ceux qui sont coupés, m'en reste peu. Sur 3 listes d'une vingtaine de noms, j'en ai eu 2, 5 et 7 exploitables.
 
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# Sur une page d'enregistrement comme [[Q44570]], le lien vers la page Wikipédia met un + au lieu d'un _ entre les mots donc on arrive sur un lien rouge dans Wikipédia.
 
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Si ça peut servir, je suis sur la dernière version en date de Firefox au 10/10/18 & Windows 10.
 
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Pour le reste : c'est vraiment super, bravo pour tout ce travail ! Je vais continuer à faire joujou avec l'outil jusqu'à être bien familière avec.
 
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[[User:Exilexi|Exilexi]] ([[User talk:Exilexi|talk]]) 06:22, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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:Les problèmes 1 et 2 sont en fait quasiment réglés avec un meilleur micro. Lingua Libre demande la permission pour un micro qui n'est pas mon micro par défaut, pour une raison inconnue.
 
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:Nouveau souci avec l'upload : tous les mots sauf 1 sont bien téléversés. Le bouton Commons s'affiche en grisé et rien ne se passe si je clique sur la petite croix à côté d'un mot : apparemment, c'est tout ou rien pour mettre sur Commons, donc je viens de perdre 29 mots parce qu'un seul refusait de s'uploader. [[User:Exilexi|Exilexi]] ([[User talk:Exilexi|talk]]) 06:44, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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:: J'en ajoute un : j'avais enregistré 20 mots "autour de moi". Là, je viens d'en lancer 20 autres... et c'est les mêmes. Il pourrait être intéressant d'ajouter une option pour éviter d'enregistrer plusieurs fois la même chose (mon accent ne change pas d'un jour à l'autre). [[User:Exilexi|Exilexi]] ([[User talk:Exilexi|talk]]) 05:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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Salut [[User:Exilexi|Exilexi]], quelques remarques ou éléments de réponse à tes commentaires
 
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# Lorsque tu décris que l'outil stoppe l'enregistrement, je pense que le problème vient de la qualité du micro. C'est ce que tu sembles avoir conclu également.
 
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# Lingua Libre découpe les mots automatiquement dès qu'il détecte un blanc. Pour les noms à rallonge, on pourrait envisager d'ajouter un bouton pour passer manuellement au mot suivant. Cela étant dit, ça perd un peu de l'intérêt de l'outil car ça devient beaucoup plus lent.
 
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# concernant le lien vers Wikipédia (avec un « + »), ça semble en effet un bogue. J'ai ouvert un [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T206801 ticket sur Phabricator].
 
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# pour les problèmes d'upload, quand un téléversement échoue, un [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198014 ticket] existe déjà sur ce sujet.
 
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# pour les listes de mots, il est possible d'en créer soi-même. Il en existe déjà plusieurs en français (quelques dizaines) et moins dans les autres langues. Il est expliquer [[Help:Create_your_own_lists/fr|ici]] sur la façon de procéder. Si tu as besoin d'aide, fais-nous signe. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 20:13, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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== Technews ==
 
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(Version française en dessous / French version below)
 
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Hi!
 
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It's been a while since the last improvements of Lingua Libre. But the past week was a good week:
 
  
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* '''Upload to commons :''' [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Lingua_Libre_Bot ''Lingua Libre Bot''] will now add in near real time the new audio recordings on the Wiktionary / Wikidata (it only ran one once a week before);
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== Is the Record Wizard not working for anyone else? ==
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* '''Download by language:''' A dataset of all recordings made with Lingua Libre is now downloadable here: [https://lingualibre.fr/datasets/lingualibre.zip lingualibre.zip]; an export is also made for each language, to find there: [https://lingualibre.fr/datasets/ datasets]; these are updated every 2 days;
 
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* '''New word list generator:''' A new word list generator named ''PetScan'' is available as a gadget; it allows you to retrieve the results of your queries on the [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/ PetScan] tool by injecting them into the RecordWizard; to activate it, go to the [[Special: Preferences # mw-prefsection-gadgets | preferences menu, in the tab '' Gadgets '']], then check the box corresponding to PetScan;
 
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My mic works with [https://mictests.com/ mictests.com], but [https://lingualibre.org/wiki/Special:RecordWizard the RecordWizard] doesn't pick anything up at the "check your microphone" stage. I've tried on both my phone and my laptop, and I can record sound in both cases, and I have the appropriate permissions enabled, but this particular website isn't detecting sounds. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 23:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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:Hello [[User:Grendelkhan]],
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:I just received a second such report. User also checked [https://mictests.com/ mictests.com] sucessfully.
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:On Firefox, Lingua Libre recording studio step 4, the microphone is allowed (we see the red microphone image on the left of the URL address). But after clicking the record button, no recording occurs.
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:* Mictests on other site : successful.
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:*Device: Notebook
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:*OS: ?
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:*Browser: Firefox, Chrome.
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:*User: [[User:Akamycoco]].
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:*Languages affected: all.
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:*Dates : Worked on February 28. Stopped working on February 29.
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:Let's starts an investigation. Could you let me know your OS and precise web browser version ? (Help > About Chrome or similar)
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:Let me know as well if you have basic developer skills to Right-click on the staled page > Inspect > Console : are there any error message ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 07:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  
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::My laptop is using Google Chrome <tt>122.0.6261.94 (Official Build) (64-bit)</tt> on Linux (Debian Testing). No error messages in the console when I attempt the recording. My phone is using Chrome <tt>122.0.6261.90</tt> on Android 14 on a Pixel 5a. It ''does'' seem to work on Firefox <tt>115.7.0esr (64-bit)</tt> on my laptop. (I really should have checked that before.) So maybe this is solely a Chrome problem? [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Automatic categorization isn't documented. ==
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So far as I can tell, this isn't documented: if, for user Foo, category <tt>Lingua Libre pronunciation by Foo</tt> exists on Commons, then all uploads will be categorized into that category. This is helpful! It's also easy to backfill after the fact using [[:commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot]]. I'm not sure where to document this, but it seems reasonable to do so ''somewhere''. [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 16:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
  
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Lingua_Libre_Bot ''Lingua Libre Bot''] va maintenant ajouter en quasi temp réel les nouveaux enregistrements audio sur le Wiktionnaire / Wikidata (il ne tournait qu'une fois par semaine au auparavant) ;
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== Understanding lingua-libre ==
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Hi, I am creating this discussion to understand lingua-libre better
  
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— [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 19:03, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
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== Uploads are failing ==
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::Merci beaucoup pour ces nouvelles et l'excellent travail que tu as effectué ces derniers jours. Espérons que ça rende la contribution encore plus simple. Bon courage. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 13:06, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
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:''TLDR: Large amount of users reporting failure to upload at step 5 : [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]], [[User:Culex|Culex]], [[User:XANA000|XANA000]], [[User:Ardzun|Ardzun]] (Indonesian languages), [[User:Penn Zero MSSJ|Penn Zero MSSJ]], [[User:Univòc64]] (Whistled Occitan) and [[User:Akamycoco]] (Taiwanese languages). This likely only tip of iceberg. Only few users were able to [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?hidebots=1&translations=filter&hidepageedits=1&hideWikibase=1&hidelog=1&namespace=0&limit=1000&days=14&enhanced=1&title=Special:RecentChanges&urlversion=2 record in May], with atypically low number of recordings. Indonesia workshop with ~15 participants critically affected. Investigation ongoing. [[User:Hugo en résidence|Hugo en résidence]] ([[User talk:Hugo en résidence|talk]]) 14:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)''
  
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I can record words, but uploading them to Commons fails. The JavaScript console has the following message:
  
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== Erreur sur Opera et IE en occitan ==
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: <tt>'''Your IP address is in a range that has been [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global blocks|blocked on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis]].''' The block was made by [[User:EPIC|‪EPIC‬]]. The reason given is ''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/NOP|Open proxy/Webhost]]: See the [[m:WM:OP/H|help page]] if you are affected''. * Start of block: 10:09, 1 May 2024 * Expiry of block: 10:09, 1 May 2027 Your current IP address is 2001:41d0:304:100::4790. The blocked range is ‪2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33‬. Please include all above details in any queries you make. If you believe you were blocked by mistake, you can find additional information and instructions in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/No open proxies|No open proxies]] global policy. Otherwise, to discuss the block please [[m:Steward requests/Global|post a request for review on Meta-Wiki]]. You could also send an email to the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Stewards|stewards]] [[m:Special:MyLanguage/VRT|VRT]] queue at "stewards@wikimedia.org" including all above details.`, blockinfo: {…}, "*": "See https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at &lt;https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/mediawiki-api-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/&gt; for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."
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J'ai un problème quand je veux utiliser le Wizzard avec l'interface de Lingua Libre en occitan (sur Linux ou Windows):
 
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* avec Opera j'ai cette erreur : Impossible de traiter cette demande via lingualibre.fr à l'heure actuelle.
 
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* avec IE j'ai cette erreur : Le site Web ne peut pas afficher la page HTTP 500
 
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[[User:Guilhelma|Guilhelma]]
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This is not my IP address shown in the error message, and whatismyip confirms that I'm not behind a proxy. The Global block request [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/2024-w18#Global_block_for_Special:Contributions/2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33 is here]. Is this affecting anyone else? I lost a heap of recordings. [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 22:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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:Salut Guilhelma, j'ai déplacé ta question afin qu'elle soit plus visible. C'est à quel moment précisément que ce problème apparait ? [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 12:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
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:Uploads are failing for me today too, even though I am recording with my account. [[User:Culex|Culex]] ([[User talk:Culex|talk]]) 15:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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::Je suis en train d'investiguer pourquoi le RecordWizard se comporte ainsi concernant l'occitan, alors qu'il fonctionne bien avec toutes les autres langues que j'ai pu tester... je vous tiendrais au courant des avancements. — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 11:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
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:: Idem--[[User:XANA000|XANA000]] ([[User talk:XANA000|talk]]) 16:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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: Désolée, je n'avais pas vu que le message avait été déplacé, cela arrive quand je clique sur Participer/ assistent d'enregistrement, Aure a le même problème aussi. [[User:Guilhelma|Guilhelma]]
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::: I can record, but i couldn’t uploaded until today. I was able to upload once yesterday, but after that I couldn't upload any more. [[User:Ardzun|Ardzun]] ([[User talk:Ardzun|talk]]) 06:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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::J'ai créé un [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210477 ticket sur Phabricator] pour ne pas perdre de vue ce problème. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 07:00, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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:I guess I'm not the only one who's been trying for weeks but could not publish audio after 1 May. Hope someone can fix it. [[User:Penn Zero MSSJ|Penn Zero MSSJ]] ([[User talk:Penn Zero MSSJ|talk]]) 20:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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::[[User:Univòc64]] (Whistled occitan) and [[User:Akamycoco]] (Taiwanese languages) also reported issues.  
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::It seems time to add a sitenotice warning. [[User:Hugo en résidence|Hugo en résidence]] ([[User talk:Hugo en résidence|talk]]) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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::In may we have mostly : 556 recordings by 7 users on May 1th, 174 recordings on May 11th ([[Special:Contributions/Austin Zhang|Austin Zhang]]), then nothing.
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::If we compare with [https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/User:Yug/QueryLingualibre-monthly.ipynb known monthly recordings], our average months recently was 30k audios, the lowest ones were 5k audios, May 2024 is heading toward 1200 audios or 5% of the average month and 20% of the lowest months. Something weird is going on indeed. 
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{| class=wikitable
 +
! Most prolific speakers for the current month || Months since 2022
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|-
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|
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<query _pagination="10" locutor="<translate><!--T:7--> Item (locutor Qid)</translate>" locutorLabel="<translate><!--T:8--> Speakers of the Month</translate>" nb="<translate><!--T:9--> Number of records</translate>">
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SELECT ?locutor ?locutorLabel ?nb WHERE {
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  {
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    SELECT ?locutor (COUNT(?record) as ?nb)
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    WHERE {
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        ?record prop:P2 entity:Q2 .        # Q2: record, P2: instance of.
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        ?record prop:P5 ?locutor .          # Property:P5: speaker
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        ?record prop:P6 ?date .
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      FILTER ( YEAR(?date) = YEAR(NOW()) && MONTH(?date) = MONTH(NOW()) )
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    }
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    GROUP BY ?locutor ?locutorLabel
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    ORDER BY DESC(?nb)
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    LIMIT 50
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  }
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  SERVICE wikibase:label {
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    bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en" .
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    ?locutor rdfs:label ?locutorLabel .
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  }
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}
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ORDER BY DESC(?nb)
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</query>
 +
|
 +
<pre>
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{ date:2022-01, records: 21290, speakers: 46, languages: 28 },
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{ date:2022-02, records: 3894, speakers: 40, languages: 17 },
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{ date:2022-03, records: 8357, speakers: 61, languages: 21 },
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{ date:2022-04, records: 5454, speakers: 34, languages: 18 },
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{ date:2022-05, records: 4702, speakers: 59, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2022-06, records: 7675, speakers: 41, languages: 18 },
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{ date:2022-07, records: 4364, speakers: 37, languages: 22 },
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{ date:2022-08, records: 9544, speakers: 45, languages: 23 },
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{ date:2022-09, records: 5802, speakers: 113, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2022-10, records: 6931, speakers: 74, languages: 32 },
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{ date:2022-11, records: 8461, speakers: 54, languages: 34 },
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{ date:2022-12, records: 11882, speakers: 54, languages: 23 },
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{ date:2023-01, records: 18150, speakers: 48, languages: 29 },
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{ date:2023-02, records: 32441, speakers: 65, languages: 29 },
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{ date:2023-03, records: 11527, speakers: 61, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2023-04, records: 8451, speakers: 58, languages: 35 },
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{ date:2023-05, records: 21282, speakers: 97, languages: 49 },
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{ date:2023-06, records: 17940, speakers: 56, languages: 35 },
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{ date:2023-07, records: 75825, speakers: 74, languages: 38 },
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{ date:2023-08, records: 32681, speakers: 54, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2023-09, records: 28813, speakers: 114, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2023-10, records: 60317, speakers: 167, languages: 47 },
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{ date:2023-11, records: 49704, speakers: 140, languages: 55 },
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{ date:2023-12, records: 42383, speakers: 114, languages: 41 },
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{ date:2024-01, records: 40572, speakers: 112, languages: 40 },
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{ date:2024-02, records: 22385, speakers: 197, languages: 57 },
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{ date:2024-03, records: 16997, speakers: 173, languages: 48 },
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{ date:2024-04, records: 8733, speakers: 117, languages: 42 },
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{ date:2024-05, records: 556, speakers: 7, languages: 7 }
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</pre>
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|-
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! Daily recordings over April and May 2024 || 
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|-
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|
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<query _pagination="40">
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SELECT
 +
?yearmonthday
 +
(COUNT(DISTINCT ?record) AS ?records)
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(COUNT(DISTINCT ?speaker) AS ?speakers)
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(COUNT(DISTINCT ?language) AS ?languages)
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WHERE {
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  ?record prop:P5 ?speaker .
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  ?record prop:P4 ?language .
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  ?record prop:P6 ?date .
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  BIND( SUBSTR(str(?date), 0, 11) as ?yearmonthday )
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    { SELECT ?record
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      WHERE {
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      ?record prop:P2 entity:Q2 .
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      ?record prop:P6 ?date .
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      FILTER(?date >= "2024-04-01T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime)
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      FILTER(?date < "2024-05-30T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime)
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    }
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  }
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}
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GROUP BY ?yearmonthday
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ORDER BY (?yearmonthday)
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</query>
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| <= stops on 2024.05.01<br>Note: [[Special:Contributions/Austin Zhang|Austin Zhang]] recorded 174 audios on 05.11
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|}
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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== [[Help:Add a new language]] ==
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=== Fixed ===
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Both IP ranges 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 and 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33 were subject to global Wikimedia block at one point (see [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Global&oldid=26774369#Unregistered_users_only_block_for_the_range_2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 Global ban range_2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32]). Following our request, the ban have been reconfigured and uploads from LinguaLibre are possible again. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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:I can record and upload since yesterday with my account, so that seems fixed. But it seems the stats are still not updated. [[User:Culex|Culex]] ([[User talk:Culex|talk]]) 12:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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Hi. I created [[Help:Add a new language]]. Do not hesitate to modify/improve it :D [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 20:42, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
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=== Logs ===
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: I've continued the translation a little bit :) <span style="color: #00A99D;">[[User:GrandCelinien|Grand]]Celinien</span> ([[User_talk:GrandCelinien|talk]]) 11:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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For references, I investigated the relevant block logs and uploads logs for May 2024.<br>Conclusion: the uploads collapse is coherent with the IP Ban. Still, given bug reports from Akamycoco in *March* and 咽頭べさ [[:c:File:Lingua_Libre_error_2024.webm|on step 4]], I suspects other bugs are lingering around.
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{| class=wikitable
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!width=50%| Global IP bans
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! Lingualibre uploads logs
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|-
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|
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F32&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 18:46, 13 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (anonymous users only) (No open proxies <!-- SCLT ID: Possible VPN or Colocation -->)
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*  [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F32&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 00:51, 10 May 2024] AmandaNP talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (No open proxies <!-- SCLT ID: Possible VPN or Colocation -->)
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F33&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 17:02, 9 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (anonymous users only) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F33&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 17:09, 1 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 2 years, 364 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes and 36 seconds (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F33&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 17:09, 1 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)  
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|
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* : [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&translations=filter&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&tagfilter=OAuth+CID%3A+1735&limit=500&days=30&urlversion=2 Uploads via Lingualibre resumed].
  
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13 May 2024
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* [... Many more uploads]
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* Upload log 23:39 Elwinlhq talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q5218 (que)-Elwinlhq-apaqay.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded a new version of File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 16:38 Oh! Tea<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Oh!_Tea Commons > User:Oh!_Tea :  « nothing » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-sih8 buh8 sah8 nah4.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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11 May 2024
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* Upload log 20:21 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-buah8.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* []... +172 recording by User:Oh! Tea]
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* Upload log 18:56 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-a2.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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10 May 2024
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* Upload log 06:08 CapitainAfrika<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:CapitainAfrika Commons > User:CapitainAfrika :  « IP block exempt » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36217 (lin)-CapitainAfrika-Wiki na monɔkɔ mua bísó.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 00:14 Ardzun<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Ardzun Commons > User:Ardzun :  « nothing »]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q13324 (min)-Ardzun-mada.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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9 May 2024
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* Upload log 17:08 Àncilu<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Àncilu Commons > User:Àncilu :  « Autopatroller » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-orsù.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 17:05 Àncilu talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-frac.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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5 May 2024
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* Upload log 21:15 Benoît Prieur<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Benoît_Prieur Commons > User:Benoît_Prieur :  « Administrator » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q8785 (hye)-Benoît Prieur-Artsakh.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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1 May 2024
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* Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Penn_Zero_MSSJ Commons > User:Penn Zero MSSJ :  « nothing » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hệ số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hỗn số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hằng đẳng thức.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* [... Many more uploads]
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|-
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|colspan=2| <small><references /></small>
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|}
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Kinyarwanda language representation ==
  
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== Clean up ? ==
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I'm Robert RUGAMBA from Rwanda and i belong to Wikimedia Rwanda as a volunteer and event organizer.
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Hello guys, the Chatroom may need some clean up.
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I'm exited to explore this platform of lingua libre and i wish my local languages to be add and represented. the wikidata rabel is: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33573
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# On my side, I do my best to keep all my "add that language pleeeease" requests in same section above, but it seems we are many to do so. Could be wise to gather these requests together. Ok to let each other move sections when it adds clarity ?
 
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# Could we also share our vision of the archiving process. As a baby-wiki, could we be bold and naughty ? Politely archiving each other sections when a section is aging too much... :D [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 14:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::In just two words: Be bold! Both points are good ideas, it just lack someone to do it, so if you're willing to, please make it :) To archive this page, maybe you can just copy-past old sections in a per-year (eg [[LinguaLibre:Chat_room/Archives/2018]]) or per-month (eg [[LinguaLibre:Chat_room/Archives/2018/11]]) subpage?
 
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::Thanks for your involvement — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 16:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::Thanks 0x ! ;)
 
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:::FYI, I created a template <nowiki>{{done}} -- can be closed ~~~~</nowiki>, with a simpler code than the one on wiki-en. This allow everyone to "tag" a section as ready to be closed, with a timestamp as you comment and sign. I reviewed most sections, I didn't review the long ones. Few weeks later an editor can archive the sections tagged. You can use the template, a comment and your signature such as :
 
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::::{{done}} -- this section is closed. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 08:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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:::Hehe ^^ [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 08:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 
  
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Thanks. [[User:Annick green|Annick green]]
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:{{Done}} This language was already on Lingualibre as [[Q285]]. If you open [[Special:RecordWizard]], at step 2, add it to your list of known languages. Please type in « Kinyarwanda », «Ikinyarwanda » and you should find it. Only user who have declared to know Kinyarwanda can record in Kinyarwanda. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  
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== Formosan languages workshop ==
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== Rename my pseudonym ==
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Hi there, I had an email exchange with Vicky, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Chengchi_University NCCU] language researcher involved in Formosan languages protection. Some of her questions are [https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Toy_Story#Buzz_Lightyear beyond] my skills :
 
  
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1. I couldn't find ais(Sakizaya), ami(Amis), trv(Truku) in the language list. Please add, thanks!
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Hello. I've renamed my account on wikimedia sites but can't log in directly from this username here. Do i have something to do ? My old username is '''ElsaBester''' and the new one is '''L'embellie'''. Thanks !
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2. Can I add the dialect information in the speaker file?
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:Hello [[User:ElsaBester|L'embellie]],
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Because there are 42 dialects under 16 aboriginal languages, I had record Squliq dialect not C’uli’ dialect of Atayal language today.
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:I may ping [[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas00]], but I think we don't currently have solution for your issue.
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3. I had add the Chinese translation after the aboriginal languages, is that ok for lingua libre?
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:We are phasing out this wiki, we hope to release a new Lingualibre this winter or early 2025. So this issue will be irrelevant by then. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 20:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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Or I only can type in aboriginal languages?
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::Hey there {{ping|ElsaBester|Yug}}. Sorry I don't have a solution, but I found this in the Chat Room's archives: [[LinguaLibre:Chat_room/Archives/2023#Update_my_username]]. Good luck — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::Hello {{ping|ElsaBester}} you may also look at my latest reply on [[User talk:Yug]], it's not a great option but maybe you'll want to try it. All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 12:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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I broke the questions in several subsections so a quick discussion may occurs for each. Please take notes that Vicky workshop is coming this week, so it would be cool to forward her practical solutions early.
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== Two French words that are impossible to record ==
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 
  
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=== 1) Requesting languages additions ===
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Hi,
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* Amis_language (iso: ami; wikidata: [[wikidata:Q35132|Q35132]]).
 
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* Sakizaya has no iso639, from my understanding. Sakizaya_language (iso: none, wikidata: [[wikidata:Q718269|Q718269]]), Nataoran_language (iso: ais, wikidata: [[wikidata:Q42508148|Q42508148]]).
 
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* Truku (no iso no wikidata) : is described in Wikipedia as the main component of Seediq language (iso: trv, wikidata: [[wikidata:Q716686|Q716686]]), already in LinguaLibre. Taiwanese linguist, the most experienced in the matter, are making a distinction.
 
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If I understand well, LL only requires wikidata ID. If so, I would recommend to add [[wikidata:Q35132|Q35132]] (amis), [[wikidata:Q718269|Q718269]] (Sakizaya). [[wikidata:Q42508148|Q42508148]] (Nataorans) and [[wikidata:Q716686|Q716686]] (Seediq) are already in I think. Truku may require a wikidata item creation, then integration in LL.
 
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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:The four languages have been imported here: [[Q51311]] Seediq, [[Q51870]] Amis, [[Q51871]] Sakizaya and [[Q51872]] Nataoran and can be used for recording. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 04:15, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 
  
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=== 2) "There are 42 dialects under 16 aboriginal languages". ===
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Two words are impossible to record (even before uploading): ''esclavesse'' and ''scribesse'' (all my attempts with other words work). [[User:Avatea|Avatea]] ([[User talk:Avatea|talk]]) 18:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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We previously added 15 or 16 of these recognized languages into LinguaLibre (thanks x0 and Pamputt). Again, Taiwanese linguists are the experts on the matter, so what can we (LL) recommend for these 42 variants ? Two ideas came to me.
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:Hi {{ping|Avatea}}. Sorry for the late reply. I couldn't reproduce the issue on my side, as you can see ({{Q|1385666}}, {{Q|1385667}}) I just recorded a few words ending with -esse, including the two words you mention, without encountering any issue. Did you try again recently? All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 14:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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# Add the information in he speaker name or place of learning. By example for : Paul Martin (Breton north) ; Paul Martin (Breton south).
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:: Hi {{ping| WikiLucas00}}
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# Add the Wikidata items following Taiwanese linguists recommendations, while no wikipedia articles nor iso639 exists.
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:: No. I just tried, I was able to record another word, but still not those two. [[User:Avatea|Avatea]] ([[User talk:Avatea|talk]]) 19:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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What do you think ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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:: After several dozen new recordings (and I had made hundreds of others before), still unable to record these two words. Tested on macOS and Windows. [[User:Avatea|Avatea]] ([[User talk:Avatea|talk]]) 21:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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: As far as I uundertand, if no Wikidata item exists for a given language, we have two options: create it on Wikidata (whether it is notable) and import here after or create it by hand directly here. So for dialect, I would say they are enough notable to be created on Wikidata but I have no time to do it by myself before the end of the year (I have no regular Internet connection for now). [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 04:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::In fact, the second option mentionned above by Pamputt won't work. For a language to be recognised by the RecordWizard, it has to have a wikidata ID. The right way to do it imho is (as also suggested by Pamputt) to create the corresponding item on wikidata, and then ask for an import here. — [[User:0x010C|'''0'''x'''010<span style="color: #00C41C;">C</span>''']] <sup>[[User_talk:0x010C|~talk~]]</sup> 14:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 
  
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=== 3) "Is it ok to use <code>mhway su (谢谢)</code> ?" (target word + translation) ===
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== Supprimer deux enregistrements incorrects. ==
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* '''Technically''', both aboriginal languages and Chinese, de factor the target word together with its closest macro-language's translation, here, Chinese.
 
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* Keep extremely '''consistent''' in your practice, so to ease later usages (learning apps). If the rule is
 
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<span style="color:green;">{aboriginal}{white_space}{opening_round_braket_(}{Chinese}{closing_round_braket_)}</span>
 
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stick to it, and avoid round brackets in other places of your element. Early consistency makes later usages easier.
 
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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:@x0, devs, there again we have the questions of wordlists with translations. I previously suggested that [[Help:Create_your_own_lists|words lists]] support a iso639 syntaxe or wikidata id syntaxe so to push the translation into a different metadata field. Example of list :
 
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: mhway su [cmn:谢谢,eng:Thank]
 
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:Then "mhway su" is the target recorded word. "谢谢" is the translation in the meta data "cmn" (Chinese). "Thank" is the translation in the meta data "eng" (English). I guess I should open a ticket on Phabricator. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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::Multi-lingual wordlist --wordlist including the translation of target words-- are not supported at the moment. An issue have been opened on LinguaLibre developments and bugs tracking system ([https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T211086 T211086]). [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:29, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 
  
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== 2018.12 : Paris LL Hackathon ==
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Bonjour! À cause d'une erreur lors d'écriture et parce que je l'ai fait pressé, j'ai enregistré par erreur deux termes: *"[[Q1387394|escaramón]]" et son pluriel *"[[Q1387395|escaramones]]". Serait-il possible de supprimer ces fichiers enregistrés ? J'ai déjà fait les enregistrements corrects de ces mots bien écrits et avec la prononciation correcte: "[[Q1387396|escamarón]]", "[[Q1387397|escamarones]]". Vous pouvez vérifier l’exactitude de ce terme [https://diccionariu.alladixital.org/index.php?cod=21008 ici]. Désolé pour le dérangement. --[[User:Limotecariu|Limotecariu]] ([[User talk:Limotecariu|talk]]) 20:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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:VIEW : '''[[LinguaLibre:Hackathon 15-16 Décembre]]'''
 
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: Eh bien je vous souhaite que ce weekend soit riche en amélioration pour Lingua Libre (et en bonne humeur) ! Cordialement <span style="color: #00A99D;">[[User:GrandCelinien|Grand]]Celinien</span> ([[User_talk:GrandCelinien|talk]]) 11:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 

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Is the Record Wizard not working for anyone else?

My mic works with mictests.com, but the RecordWizard doesn't pick anything up at the "check your microphone" stage. I've tried on both my phone and my laptop, and I can record sound in both cases, and I have the appropriate permissions enabled, but this particular website isn't detecting sounds. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? Grendelkhan (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello User:Grendelkhan,
I just received a second such report. User also checked mictests.com sucessfully.
On Firefox, Lingua Libre recording studio step 4, the microphone is allowed (we see the red microphone image on the left of the URL address). But after clicking the record button, no recording occurs.
  • Mictests on other site : successful.
  • Device: Notebook
  • OS: ?
  • Browser: Firefox, Chrome.
  • User: User:Akamycoco.
  • Languages affected: all.
  • Dates : Worked on February 28. Stopped working on February 29.
Let's starts an investigation. Could you let me know your OS and precise web browser version ? (Help > About Chrome or similar)
Let me know as well if you have basic developer skills to Right-click on the staled page > Inspect > Console : are there any error message ? Yug (talk) 07:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
My laptop is using Google Chrome 122.0.6261.94 (Official Build) (64-bit) on Linux (Debian Testing). No error messages in the console when I attempt the recording. My phone is using Chrome 122.0.6261.90 on Android 14 on a Pixel 5a. It does seem to work on Firefox 115.7.0esr (64-bit) on my laptop. (I really should have checked that before.) So maybe this is solely a Chrome problem? Grendelkhan (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Automatic categorization isn't documented.

So far as I can tell, this isn't documented: if, for user Foo, category Lingua Libre pronunciation by Foo exists on Commons, then all uploads will be categorized into that category. This is helpful! It's also easy to backfill after the fact using commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot. I'm not sure where to document this, but it seems reasonable to do so somewhere. Grendelkhan (talk) 16:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Understanding lingua-libre

Hi, I am creating this discussion to understand lingua-libre better

Uploads are failing

TLDR: Large amount of users reporting failure to upload at step 5 : Grendelkhan, Culex, XANA000, Ardzun (Indonesian languages), Penn Zero MSSJ, User:Univòc64 (Whistled Occitan) and User:Akamycoco (Taiwanese languages). This likely only tip of iceberg. Only few users were able to record in May, with atypically low number of recordings. Indonesia workshop with ~15 participants critically affected. Investigation ongoing. Hugo en résidence (talk) 14:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I can record words, but uploading them to Commons fails. The JavaScript console has the following message:

Your IP address is in a range that has been blocked on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis. The block was made by ‪EPIC‬. The reason given is Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected. * Start of block: 10:09, 1 May 2024 * Expiry of block: 10:09, 1 May 2027 Your current IP address is 2001:41d0:304:100::4790. The blocked range is ‪2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33‬. Please include all above details in any queries you make. If you believe you were blocked by mistake, you can find additional information and instructions in the No open proxies global policy. Otherwise, to discuss the block please post a request for review on Meta-Wiki. You could also send an email to the stewards VRT queue at "stewards@wikimedia.org" including all above details.`, blockinfo: {…}, "*": "See https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at <https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/mediawiki-api-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/> for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."

This is not my IP address shown in the error message, and whatismyip confirms that I'm not behind a proxy. The Global block request is here. Is this affecting anyone else? I lost a heap of recordings. Grendelkhan (talk) 22:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Uploads are failing for me today too, even though I am recording with my account. Culex (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Idem--XANA000 (talk) 16:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I can record, but i couldn’t uploaded until today. I was able to upload once yesterday, but after that I couldn't upload any more. Ardzun (talk) 06:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I guess I'm not the only one who's been trying for weeks but could not publish audio after 1 May. Hope someone can fix it. Penn Zero MSSJ (talk) 20:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Univòc64 (Whistled occitan) and User:Akamycoco (Taiwanese languages) also reported issues.
It seems time to add a sitenotice warning. Hugo en résidence (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
In may we have mostly : 556 recordings by 7 users on May 1th, 174 recordings on May 11th (Austin Zhang), then nothing.
If we compare with known monthly recordings, our average months recently was 30k audios, the lowest ones were 5k audios, May 2024 is heading toward 1200 audios or 5% of the average month and 20% of the lowest months. Something weird is going on indeed.
Most prolific speakers for the current month Months since 2022
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{ date:2022-01, records: 21290, speakers: 46, languages: 28 },
{ date:2022-02, records: 3894, speakers: 40, languages: 17 },
{ date:2022-03, records: 8357, speakers: 61, languages: 21 },
{ date:2022-04, records: 5454, speakers: 34, languages: 18 },
{ date:2022-05, records: 4702, speakers: 59, languages: 30 },
{ date:2022-06, records: 7675, speakers: 41, languages: 18 },
{ date:2022-07, records: 4364, speakers: 37, languages: 22 },
{ date:2022-08, records: 9544, speakers: 45, languages: 23 },
{ date:2022-09, records: 5802, speakers: 113, languages: 30 },
{ date:2022-10, records: 6931, speakers: 74, languages: 32 },
{ date:2022-11, records: 8461, speakers: 54, languages: 34 },
{ date:2022-12, records: 11882, speakers: 54, languages: 23 },
{ date:2023-01, records: 18150, speakers: 48, languages: 29 },
{ date:2023-02, records: 32441, speakers: 65, languages: 29 },
{ date:2023-03, records: 11527, speakers: 61, languages: 30 },
{ date:2023-04, records: 8451, speakers: 58, languages: 35 },
{ date:2023-05, records: 21282, speakers: 97, languages: 49 },
{ date:2023-06, records: 17940, speakers: 56, languages: 35 },
{ date:2023-07, records: 75825, speakers: 74, languages: 38 },
{ date:2023-08, records: 32681, speakers: 54, languages: 30 },
{ date:2023-09, records: 28813, speakers: 114, languages: 30 },
{ date:2023-10, records: 60317, speakers: 167, languages: 47 },
{ date:2023-11, records: 49704, speakers: 140, languages: 55 },
{ date:2023-12, records: 42383, speakers: 114, languages: 41 },
{ date:2024-01, records: 40572, speakers: 112, languages: 40 },
{ date:2024-02, records: 22385, speakers: 197, languages: 57 },
{ date:2024-03, records: 16997, speakers: 173, languages: 48 },
{ date:2024-04, records: 8733, speakers: 117, languages: 42 },
{ date:2024-05, records: 556, speakers: 7, languages: 7 }
Daily recordings over April and May 2024
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 <= stops on 2024.05.01
Note: Austin Zhang recorded 174 audios on 05.11

Yug (talk) 10:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed

Both IP ranges 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 and 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33 were subject to global Wikimedia block at one point (see Global ban range_2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32). Following our request, the ban have been reconfigured and uploads from LinguaLibre are possible again. Yug (talk) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I can record and upload since yesterday with my account, so that seems fixed. But it seems the stats are still not updated. Culex (talk) 12:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Logs

For references, I investigated the relevant block logs and uploads logs for May 2024.
Conclusion: the uploads collapse is coherent with the IP Ban. Still, given bug reports from Akamycoco in *March* and 咽頭べさ on step 4, I suspects other bugs are lingering around.

Global IP bans Lingualibre uploads logs
  • 18:46, 13 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (anonymous users only) (No open proxies )
  • 00:51, 10 May 2024 AmandaNP talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (No open proxies )
  • 17:02, 9 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (anonymous users only) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
  • 17:09, 1 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 2 years, 364 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes and 36 seconds (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
  • 17:09, 1 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)

13 May 2024

  • [... Many more uploads]
  • Upload log 23:39 Elwinlhq talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q5218 (que)-Elwinlhq-apaqay.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded a new version of File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 16:38 Oh! Tea[1] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-sih8 buh8 sah8 nah4.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

11 May 2024

  • Upload log 20:21 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-buah8.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • []... +172 recording by User:Oh! Tea]
  • Upload log 18:56 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-a2.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

10 May 2024

  • Upload log 06:08 CapitainAfrika[2] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36217 (lin)-CapitainAfrika-Wiki na monɔkɔ mua bísó.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 00:14 Ardzun[3] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q13324 (min)-Ardzun-mada.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

9 May 2024

  • Upload log 17:08 Àncilu[4] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-orsù.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 17:05 Àncilu talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-frac.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

5 May 2024

  • Upload log 21:15 Benoît Prieur[5] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q8785 (hye)-Benoît Prieur-Artsakh.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

1 May 2024

  • Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ[6] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hệ số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hỗn số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hằng đẳng thức.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • [... Many more uploads]
  1. ↑ Commons > User:Oh!_Tea : « nothing » on Commons
  2. ↑ Commons > User:CapitainAfrika : « IP block exempt » on Commons
  3. ↑ Commons > User:Ardzun : « nothing »
  4. ↑ Commons > User:Àncilu : « Autopatroller » on Commons
  5. ↑ Commons > User:Benoît_Prieur : « Administrator » on Commons
  6. ↑ Commons > User:Penn Zero MSSJ : « nothing » on Commons

Yug (talk) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Kinyarwanda language representation

I'm Robert RUGAMBA from Rwanda and i belong to Wikimedia Rwanda as a volunteer and event organizer. I'm exited to explore this platform of lingua libre and i wish my local languages to be add and represented. the wikidata rabel is: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33573

Thanks. Annick green

Check-green.svg Done This language was already on Lingualibre as Kinyarwanda (Q285). If you open Special:RecordWizard, at step 2, add it to your list of known languages. Please type in « Kinyarwanda », «Ikinyarwanda » and you should find it. Only user who have declared to know Kinyarwanda can record in Kinyarwanda. Yug (talk) 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Rename my pseudonym

Hello. I've renamed my account on wikimedia sites but can't log in directly from this username here. Do i have something to do ? My old username is ElsaBester and the new one is L'embellie. Thanks !

Hello L'embellie,
I may ping WikiLucas00, but I think we don't currently have solution for your issue.
We are phasing out this wiki, we hope to release a new Lingualibre this winter or early 2025. So this issue will be irrelevant by then. Yug (talk) 20:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Hey there @ElsaBester & Yug . Sorry I don't have a solution, but I found this in the Chat Room's archives: LinguaLibre:Chat_room/Archives/2023#Update_my_username. Good luck — WikiLucas (🖋️) 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ElsaBester you may also look at my latest reply on User talk:Yug, it's not a great option but maybe you'll want to try it. All the best — WikiLucas (🖋️) 12:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Two French words that are impossible to record

Hi,

Two words are impossible to record (even before uploading): esclavesse and scribesse (all my attempts with other words work). Avatea (talk) 18:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Avatea . Sorry for the late reply. I couldn't reproduce the issue on my side, as you can see (esclavesse (Q1385666), scribesse (Q1385667)) I just recorded a few words ending with -esse, including the two words you mention, without encountering any issue. Did you try again recently? All the best — WikiLucas (🖋️) 14:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi @WikiLucas00
No. I just tried, I was able to record another word, but still not those two. Avatea (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
After several dozen new recordings (and I had made hundreds of others before), still unable to record these two words. Tested on macOS and Windows. Avatea (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Supprimer deux enregistrements incorrects.

Bonjour! À cause d'une erreur lors d'écriture et parce que je l'ai fait pressé, j'ai enregistré par erreur deux termes: *"escaramón" et son pluriel *"escaramones". Serait-il possible de supprimer ces fichiers enregistrés ? J'ai déjà fait les enregistrements corrects de ces mots bien écrits et avec la prononciation correcte: "escamarón", "escamarones". Vous pouvez vérifier l’exactitude de ce terme ici. Désolé pour le dérangement. --Limotecariu (talk) 20:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

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