User talk:Pamputt

Merci Pamputt !

Et bonne année :D Yug (talk) 11:56, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Super ! Des idées comment trouver les autres chiffres ? Yug (talk) 08:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Salut Yug De rien, pour les autres chiffres, j'imagine qu'en codant un robot qui analyse tous les fichiers contenus dans les sous-catégories de Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation et en analysant la date de création du fichier, on peut retrouver les chiffres des mois passés. Reste plus qu'à la faire ... Je pense que c'est dans mes compétences mais je n'aurai probablement pas le temps de coder ça dans les semaines à venir. Pamputt (talk) 12:23, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Translate

I want to translate this page LinguaLibre:Stats Bengali (bn/ben). Could you please mark the page for translation?

--Titodutta (talk) 01:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• The title of the page in Bengali could be LinguaLibre:পরিসংখ্যান. Regards. --Titodutta (talk) 01:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Titodutta, LinguaLibre:Stats should be translatable already (it is already translated in German, Spanish, Japanese, Occitan, etc). You should be able to see a button "Translate" somewhere. If you do not find it, please clik here to access the translations directly. Pamputt (talk) 12:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Mostly done at LinguaLibre:Stats/bn. A couple of strings are remaining which I'll finish. I'll also for a few other important pages to translate. --Titodutta (talk) 20:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

+ Could you tell me how do you pronounce "Lingua Libre" Lingua Libre (Q1). I am adding Bengali in some of the most used Qs on this site. Is Libre in Lingua Libre pronounced as in English or French? IPA/audio will be helpful. --Titodutta (talk) 22:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Titodutta, about Lingua Libre pronunciation, I am not aware about any official pronunciation. Maybe 0x010C or Lyokoï know a bit more about that. Personally I pronounce it /lin.ɡwa li.bʁe/ but I also heard /lin.ɡwa libʁ/ in French. I will try to add a recording tomorrow. Pamputt (talk) 08:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Titodutta, Pamputt, there is no official prononciation for Lingua Libre. You are free to adapt its. I pronounce like Pamputt too. Lyokoï (talk) 21:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Titodutta, finally I recorded a pronunciation Lingua Libre. Feel free to record your own way ;) Pamputt (talk) 18:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

T249467

Hello, for quite sometime I am looking a solution for this. If a file is moved the audio player won't appear in any view (file page, upload list, etc.) In case you are using new video player, please check the file pages from a private/incognito window. --Titodutta (talk) 03:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Titodutta, I am not sure to know what I could do for this issue. Everything is already tracked on Phabricator. Hope we will solve this issue soon. Pamputt (talk) 12:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Deletion request

Can you delete this page, it was mistakenly uploaded, I have requested the same on Commons also Q358061. Regards. --Titodutta (talk) 00:15, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

• Also could you import Template:Div col (and Div col end) so that I don't need to manually split into columns as in here List:Ben/TitoduttaLexeme. Regards. --Titodutta (talk) 00:23, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

@Titodutta I've just deleted Q358061. About Template:Div col, I will see what I can do tonight. Pamputt (talk) 11:27, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@Titodutta , I have imported Template:Div col, Template:Div col ‎end, Template:Column-width, Template:Column-gap and Template:Column-rule. I think it is enough but maybe something is still missing. Could you check wether it works for you? If needed, you can import missing pages by yurself. Pamputt (talk) 17:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

• At least 1 module Module:Check for unknown parameters was missing, which I have brought directly. Importing could be a better option. --Titodutta (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@Titodutta I think it is not (yet?) possible to import from Wikimedia wiki websites. I 've opened a Phabricator ticket to ask for this feature. Pamputt (talk) 17:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

• Possibly it allows to import. In case you are not getting transwiki import, XML dump upload is an option that works. Of course transwiki import would be easier if it works. Regards. --Titodutta (talk) 23:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Help:Bots#Bot_wishlist

Hello Pamputt ! Thanks for the great work you do <3

For your informations, I'am starting to collect info to build a bot able to edit LiguaLibre audios on Commons. Yug (talk) 05:54, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Salut Yug. Merci du message. Merci à toi aussi d'essayer de mettre un peu d'énergie ici :) Pamputt (talk) 06:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Création nouvelle langue "Bankon"

Bonjour Pamputt ! je souhaite ajouter le Bankon, une langue bantoue parlée par une communauté de 250 000 personnes à l'ouest de Douala dans les villages autour de Bonaléa. Je dispose déjà d'un certain nombre de mots et je pars au Cameroun en Décembre pour enregistrer des habitants de la région. J'aurais souhaité me familiariser avec le site avant de me rendre là-bas pour préparer tout ce que je dois numériser le plus possible en amont. merci d'avance de votre aide bonne soirée --Philippe Le Roux 21:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Bonjour Philippe Le Roux et bienvenue sur Lingua Libre. Je viens d'ajouter la langue « bankon », vous pouvez donc dès à présent enregistrer des mots dans cette langue. Dites-moi si vous rencontrez des difficultés. Pamputt (talk) 16:39, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Lingua Libre Story for September 2020

This is not an official story or newsletter. This is an attempt by a user to share some updates about the program. There might be more stories which I have missed.

September 2020 was an eventful month and we have seen a lot of activities of uploading new content and also around project-related discussion. Here are some of the best stories from September 2020.

• 300,000 files: On 10 September 2020 we completed 300,000 pronunciation uploads. After the launch in August 2018, the first 100,000 files were uploaded in April 2019, and the milestone of 200,000 files was reached on January 2020. As of 30 September 2020 there are 366 speakers at this project working in 92 languages.
• Maximum number of pronunciations in a month: In September 2020, 23,209 files were uploaded. This is the maximum number of files uploaded ever in a particular calendar month (earlier it was 22,963 files in June 2020, and 22,293 files in May 2019).
• Indian language in top 3 list: This month Bengali language came into the top three languages by the number of files uploaded using Lingua Libre. This is possibly the first time a non-European/Indian language came into the top three most-uploaded languages on the project.
• Project chat: Several discussion started on the Chat room, such as Bug testing (you may help), Technical preparations etc.

That's it. Have a good time. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 13:33, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
This post is under CC0 license, feel to free share with anyone, anywhere, without any restriction

Thanks Titodutta for this message. This is quite interesting to have such messages with milestones. Would you like to post it on the Chat room? Pamputt (talk) 16:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Done on chat room, regards. Feel free to edit/add, the post, like all my LL files are under CC0. Thanks and regards. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 16:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Marquer une page pour la traduction

Bonjour Pamputt,

Fraîchement doté des outils d'administrateur, je viens d'essayer de marquer une page pour la traduction, en suivant les instructions sur mediawiki, mais je n'y parviens pas. Pourrais-tu m'aider s'il te plaît ?

Bonne fin de journée — WikiLucas (🖋️) 11:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Salut WikiLucas00, je suis en effet déjà tombé sur ce problème. Voir ici pour un moyen de contournement en attendant que ça soit corrigé. Pamputt (talk) 05:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Gadgets

Hello Pamputt, I wanted to slightly add &limit=500 to the RecentNonAudio gadget. I noticed changes on MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition but didn't see any other code here. I took a quick look to mw:Extension:Gadgets. Does gadgets on Lili implies php editing and server access ? Yug (talk) 10:42, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Yug . Le code se trouve ici ; c'est comme ça sur tous les wikis (utilisation de l'espace de nom MediaWiki), je ne crois pas que ça soit propre à Lingua Libre. Je te laisse modifier la page. J'aurais tendance à mettre &limit=5000 plutôt que 500 car s'il y a eu beaucoup d'enregistrements, les dernières modifications (hors enregistrement) peuvent être parties bien loin. Pamputt (talk) 15:15, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Pamputt je l'ignorais ! Merci c'est fait :) Yug (talk) 15:19, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

5000 was lagging. I opted for 800. Yug (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Yug & Pamputt Avec tous les récents enregistrements (plus de 20.000 en 14 jours !), 800 ne suffit plus (les modifications non-audios sont invisibilisées). Je viens donc d'augmenter le seuil à 2500. — WikiLucas (🖋️) 15:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

@WikiLucas00 Pas d'opposition de principe. Il faut juste mettre en équilibre l'utilité et le temps de chargement. Donc si 2500 ne prends pas trop de temps à charger, pourquoi pas. Par contre, si l'utilité est juste temporaire (surcroit d'activité temporaire) et que le temps de chargement est sensiblement plus long, alors il vaut mieux revenir à 800 et changer manuellmenet à 2500 (ou 5000) quand les situations comme celle de maintenant. Pamputt (talk) 15:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Help:QueryViz ?

Hello Pamputt,
Je viens de voir passer ton email. A-t-on de la documentation "QueryViz" sur LinguaLibre ? J'encourage également à commencer à créer des modèles de navigations, tendant doucement vers ce type de modèle en:Template:Aggregators. J'ai commencé avec Template:Technicals Yug (talk) 09:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Salut Yug, non je ne suis pas au courant d'une quelconque documentation sur QueryViz. Les seuls trucs qu'on ait, c'est le code source et la page sur MediaWiki. Si j'en crois cette page, cette extension sert uniquement à ajouter la gestion de la balise <query> dans une page wiki pour afficher le résultat de la requête.

Donc du côté utilisateur, à mon avis, il n'y a rien à connaitre. La documentation qu'il nous manque c'est comment fonctionne cette extension du côté développeur, et ça, ça n'a pas l'air d'exister. Pamputt (talk) 17:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Et concernant Template:Lingua_Libre_scripts, pourquoi pas même si je pense qu'on devrait d'abord s'occuper de bien catégoriser les pages et les modèles de sorte qu'on puisse facilement retrouver l'information au fur et à mesure. Pamputt (talk) 17:11, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Table of referents

Hello Pamputt, could you take a look at this : User_talk:Yug#Referents. You will quickly get the idea. Feel free to expand as required. I will migrate this to templates soon. Yug (talk) 17:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I updated few stuff over there. All the rest is fine to me. Pamputt (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks budy. Some folks are missing but most of them are in. nearly 100% French folks, can do better ! Yug (talk) 20:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Github cleanup

Hi there,
I'am trying to maintain the place a bit in preparation of the freelance's arrival. I'am reviewing all repositories at an "organizational" and documentation level. Few questions comes :

• Done llskin vs BlueLL : isn't llskin the old skin (I marked it [Depreciated?]

  I think you are right. BlueLL is the new skin since last year.

• Done LinguaRecorder: no issues activated (see Settings). Normal ?

• I would say it is normal because the issues are reported on Phabricator. I think it is better not to multiply places where to report bugs or issues.

• Done CustomSubtitle: No documentation, what does this do ?
  • Precisely? No idea. There is only the description that says "MediaWiki extension adding a magic function to set custom subtitle to any content page." See more on MediaWiki.
• Done CommonsDownloadTool : one file python script. No documentation, what does this do ? I suspects it generate `datasets`.

  I would guess the same but not absolutely sure.

  It's confirmed, it's for datasets.

Any idea to who ask help for those questions ?

Poslovitch said he had a look on the code so it is probably one good option to confirm what I said or to say more. If it is not here, you may find him on Discord (I cannot help more because I do not use Discord) or on another Wikimedia project (French Wikipedia?).

Yug (talk) 21:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Yug I reply below each point above. Pamputt (talk) 19:52, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

@Pamputt , CommonDownloadTool is for datasets. I think Subtitle is to add a subtitle on article pages, but I don't remember where I saw that... Yug (talk) 1s document it properly on github readme.md Yug (talk) 12:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, all is on good track on Github: - All (?) repositories are now well defined. - 2/3 of repositories have now a volunteer referee-mentor. - Most are "correctly" documented - Wikimedia France hired a new Sysops, which guide volunteers on the server. Thanks to Michael & team. - Wikimedia France is reviewing freelance candidates for deeper coding. Thanks to Adelaide & team. - Wikimedia France has plan to expand volunteership toward India. Thanks to Adelaide & team. All pretty positive. Yug (talk) 12:17, 1 February 24:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yug this extension allows to use the "#subtitle" keyword. It is currently used on the LinguaLibre:Chat_room to display the text below the title at the beginning of the page. Pamputt (talk) 20:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank for this catch ! Let's document it properly on github readme.md Yug (talk) 12:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, all is on good track on Github:

- All (?) repositories are now well defined.

- 2/3 of repositories have now a volunteer referee-mentor.

- Most are "correctly" documented

- Wikimedia France hired a new Sysops, which guide volunteers on the server. Thanks to Michael & team.MediaWiki:Common.css

- Wikimedia France is reviewing freelance candidates for deeper coding. Thanks to Adelaide & team.

- Wikimedia France has plan to expand volunteership toward India. Thanks to Adelaide & team.

All pretty positive. Yug (talk) 12:17, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

More detailed summary on the Discussion page ! Thank you Pamputt ! Yug (talk) 15:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

We're welcome. Thanks for the job you've done. Pamputt (talk) 16:30, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Common.css

Hello Pamputt, for your information, since we repeatedly discussed the need to fix weird line spacing I edited our Common.css. Basically I increased the margin-top above titles and reduced it above ul elements. I inform you so you watch the page as well and review my edits if you wish to. ;) Yug (talk) 23:12, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Note: User:Yug/Commons.css did NOT work, I suspect $wgAllowUserCss is set to False. See mw:Manual:CSS. Yug (talk) 23:22, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Yug. It looks fine. I opened T273709 to ask for Commons.css (Common.js). Pamputt (talk) 07:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I will integrate the MediaWiki:Common.css modification of 2020/02/02 to Github > BlueLL > content.css. Wikimedia France will then need to be redeployed some day.

I'am lagging far behind on Phabricator these days. So a special thanks to you for leading there ;)

(I some point we will need to sit down and chat Github vs Phabricator and how we make them team up. XD) Yug (talk)

@Yug About bug tracking, I agree we should decide to report bug and ask for new features at only one place, not both Github and Phabricator. I would prefer Phabricator because historically we started to use it. In addition, it is hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation so we remain on the server of the foundation; this is not the case with Github that belongs to Microsoft. So it is also a position of principle. Pamputt (talk) 08:58, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Translate or not?

I'm confused, is Category:Lingua Libre supposed to be translatable through the Translate extension or not? Because you marked the category for translation and then rolled it back which causes the page to still be translatable but not appearing translated even if it is. It needs to be removed from the translation system if the category if supposed to use the LanguaSwitch system instead. Otherwise the page will appear on Special:LanguageStats to translators. --Sabelöga (talk) 01:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Sabelöga sorry for the mess. Actually, I wanted to apply the translation on the category page but it creates page like Category:Lingua Libre/sv that contains no page. So I reverted but I did not think that it was still enabled. So it should not appear anymore in Special:LanguageStats now. Pamputt (talk) 06:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. Strangely enough the category still shows up in Special:LanguageStats but blacked out with zero messages. I assume this might be some caching issue or maybe something that an update would fix, anyway it doesn't show for translators that hasn't unticked that "don't show message groups that are completely translates" box. So I guess that don't matter that much. --Sabelöga (talk) 08:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Actually, it is probably I do not disable completely the possibility to translate because I was not able to figure out how to do. So if you know, lease let me know :) Pamputt (talk) 13:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Phabricator tasks board

@Pamputt Hello Pamputt,

I started to review existing task to see if some better order may be found. As I made a group of changes I started to see the diversity of these tasks. It may be better to discuss with and follow you in this area. Here are my few remarks :

• Some requests are quite peripherical. Should we mark them as Status : Staled. Reject them ? Because, realistically, we won't have the funding to even consider those in the next 5 years.
• Task workload varies from minor fix (few hours) to notable development (several days). Should we create a tag for workloads : `easy`, `medium`, `heavy` or `workload-S`, `workload-M`, `workload-L` ?
• Some are administrative tasks such as "email project X". Should we create a tag for that ?

This kind of things. I also think about 1/6 of current task-requests should be rejected. Yug (talk) 16:33, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I've seen your activity on Phabricator. I reopened some tickets you've closed too quickly IMHO. About the points you mention

• Peripherical request: I think we should let them open. I try to create a ticket each time someone proposes something new. If we decide to move them as staled, why not but it cannot be me or you alone; it has to be decided collectively during a Lingua Libre meeting for example. Some proposal are indded rather heavy to implement and need a complete rework of all the Lingua LIbre website. So it will be probably not done soon but we can use this idea to debate of what we want to do with Lingua Libre in the future. So let them opened for now
• Task workload: only developers can have a good idea of the workload. It takes time to evaluate a realistic time so I think first we cannot do by ourselves and second that it will be a ballpark estimate if we do it.
• Administrative task: no opinion about the creation of a specific task. I am not opposed but I do not see the capital gain to do so. So up to you.

Pamputt (talk) 17:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

We currently have a "list of ideas". I would like to move to a *list of doable developments*. Something on which we could actually act. Every times i return to phabricator i spend lot of my time on taking hold (re-read) non-doable things. Not practical. We should have some way to put aside the noise. Yug (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorting the noise should be done quickly just by reading the title. So, the first thing to do would be to have clear title. Judging what is the noise is highly subjective. Pamputt (talk) 20:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Noise could be "want we very likely won't do this coming year", by example. (Yes, a subjective judgement would be involved.)

You know phabricator better than me. Should we create a milestone or something else to gather the issues WikiValley and us actually focus on this year ? Any other idea ? Yug (talk) 19:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Actually WikiValley has a contract with WMFr and should comply with the scope statement. If they want to work on other topics not listed, they are more than welcome but I do not think we can decide (you or I) which one they should work on; it should be discussed publicly. And at the end, I think WikiValley may use Phabricator, if they want to, to describe what they are working on or at least indicate when an issue is fixed. If WikiValley use their on project manager/bug tracker/..., no problem, we cannot impose them to use Phabricator (or Github) if this is not written in the scope statement written by WMFr. Pamputt (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I assumed from oral conversations that they would be joining Phabricator but I may be incorrect indeed. Still, do we have a way do discriminate between items on our plate for the near futur (one year) and the "heavy or vague wishlist" items. Is there a technical way to put some order by feasability ?

As of now, I started to group, within column, items with nearby scopes. And then, I move feasible scopes upward within its column.

The most practical-feasible issues on top, the most wishful-farfetch to the bottom. Could work...... ? Yug (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I did more scope grouping : putting in same column and touching the task involving similar parts of the LinguaLibre Suite. Hope this help. The titles are still to improve and align, and the tasks to link together when relevant. Yug (talk) 23:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

P24 MediaType

Pamputt, after inspecting the code, I think this property is normal. It helps to discriminate between oral language and sign languages, but from a file type perspective. I will not undo it, but I think such removal are not necessary. On the contrary, I think we would gain to update all languages with this property. Yug (talk) 23:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the explanation. Pamputt (talk) 08:00, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

More eyes the better. Yug (talk) 12:51, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

LinguaLibre Properties ?

Hello Pamputt, I was starting to memorize properties by heart, and I noticed your lists on phabricator:T239272. Do you know of any LL page where we list all our key properties ? Or a query maybe ? cc: user:VIGNERON. Yug (talk) 23:58, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

@Yug There's this "query" to see every property on LiLi: [1] — WikiLucas (🖋️) 00:34, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Nice ! Yug (talk) 12:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@Yug & WikiLucas00 Actually, there's this special page that does exactly that: Special:ListProperties. --Poslovitch (talk) 12:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Phabricator: how to "tag" tasks as Feature request or Bug report

Hi @Pamputt thanks for your help so far on the Phabricator! I'm still learning the ropes of that tool, and I noticed you were able to edit the tasks in such a way that you can "tag" them either as Feature requests or Bug reports. Yet, I haven't found any field close to that in the "Task Edit Form". How is it done? Are you a wizard with hidden magical powers? Eager to hear from you --Poslovitch (talk) 12:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Salut Poslovitch, je me permet de te répondre en français :) Je ne crois pas avoir de droit particulier sur Phabricator. Pour tagguer les tickets, tu dois faire aller en bas des messages (comme pour écrire un nouveau message), là tu as une liste déroulante intitulée « Ajouter une action », tu sélectionnes « Modifier le sous-type », et là tu as une liste de choix (non limitée à bug ou new feature). Enjoy. Pamputt (talk) 16:31, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Merci Pamputt! --Poslovitch (talk) 18:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Special:NewProperty

Hello Pamputt, following Commons category containing all recordings of the language (P26), I'am considering the need for an Archive download URL per language property which would point to individual datasets archives (from https://lingualibre.org/datasets/) . It would be convenient, also, to create this property right after P26 which is also an url. The question I ask myself is how to define this property since an url has multiple variable parts, may contain unicode and punctuations :

• https://lingualibre.org/datasets/Q22-eng-English.zip
• https://lingualibre.org/datasets/Q264201-ary-Moroccan%20Arabic.zip
• https://lingualibre.org/datasets/Q19858-bci-Baoul%C3%A9.zip
• https://lingualibre.org/datasets/Q52067-bbj-Ghomala%27%20language.zip

Any idea ?

Also, if possible, I would like to create this property under your guidance. Yug (talk) 11:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Je vais le faire en français :) Je pense qu'il faut créer une nouvelle propriété avec le type « identifiant externe » ; l'avantage de l'identifiant externe c'est que c'est plus simple à maintenir que le type « URL » lorsqu'il y a un schéma qui se répète. Ici le schéma (formatter URL (P10)) est de la forme « https://lingualibre.org/datasets/$1.zip » avec $1 qui sera remplacé par l'identifiant (par exemple « Q22-eng-English », « Q19858-bci-Baoul%C3%A9 », etc.). Essaie de créer la propriété et d'ajouter formatter URL (P10) Pamputt (talk) 11:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Assez simple. Cette propriété semble assez nécessaire. Je créé la propriété mais je ne l'utiliserai pas dessuite.

Il y a peut etre un moyen d'avoir un format composite, qui appelerai les autres propriété via une formule de type https://lingualibre.org/datasets/$P4-$P13-$P17.zip. Yug (talk) 12:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Non, on ne peut pas faire ça. Il y a un système de contraintes sur Wikidata mais je ne sais pas si c'est présent ici. Peut-être que VIGNERON peut en dire plus. Pamputt (talk) 12:39, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

La formule https://lingualibre.org/datasets/$1.zip est bien aussi, elle permet un control manuel. Yug (talk) 13:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Gadget par defaut

Bonjour Pamputt,
As-tu considéré la possibilité de mettre le gadget Recent Non-Audio un outil par défaut ? Yug (talk) 12:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Pourquoi pas, c'est juste que je considère que cela ne concerne qu'une infime partie des utilisateurs (ceux qui font autre chose qu'enregistrer des prononciations). Donc à mon avis, on peut laisser tel que c'est actuellement. Pamputt (talk) 13:41, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Category mere pour modèle

J'ai Category:License_template (page vide mais il y a des pages). Je voudrai lui coller une sorte de Category:Category of templates. On a ? Yug (talk) 22:37, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Non, je ne crois pas qu'on ait ça. Il faudrait mettre tous les modèles dans Lingua Libre templates plutôt. Pamputt (talk) 08:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

LinguaLibre:List_of_languages

Hoy Pamputt, dis, est-ce que des iso manquants ne pourraient pas être documentés ? Yug (talk) 13:56, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Salut Yug, en fait, les langues listées sur « List of languages » sont les langues qui disposent d'au moins 1 enregistrement. En pratique, il est déjà possible d'enregistrer des mots dans un peu plus de 500 langues/dialectes. Mais le problème c'est que je n'arrive pas à faire apparaitre le résultat d'une requête qui afficherait toutes les langues « disponibles » (mon essai sur LinguaLibre:List_of_languages n'affiche rien (probablement du à un timeout)). Pamputt (talk) 17:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Nice :) Tu importes tous à la main ?

Faut demander au MAGE DES VIGNES. Est-il possible que les requêtes plantent du fait de l'abscence de certains champs ? Yug (talk) 17:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Oui, je crois que tout à été fait à la main (on a fait ça à plusieurs). Pour la requête, oui VIGNERON a beaucoup plus d'expériences que moi pour essayer d'« optimiser » la requête. Pamputt (talk) 17:24, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

@Yug & Pamputt je suis invoqué, j'arrive :D Je me souvenais de cette demande et voulais voir si avec le nouveau serveur Blazegraph, le problème survenait toujours ou non. Mais en fait je viens de me rendre compte qu'il y avait juste une coquille dans la requête (Special:Diff/480036), problème corrigé et résolu donc. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 07:50, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Vie

@Pamputt hello, je fais du menage dans les listes par frequence. C'est quoi ta source pour List:Vie/About 1000 common words et List:Vie/11000 most common words ? {{Hermite Dave}} ? Yug (talk) 22:01, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Salut yug j'ai indiqué ça dans le commentaire lors de la création de la page (visible dans l'historique). Donc, pour

• List:Vie/About 1000 common words, il s'agit du Wiktionnaire anglophone. J'ai passé en revue cette liste avec une amie vietnamienne et on l'a nettoyé donc je suis sûr de sa qualité.
• List:Vie/11000 most common words, provient de https://www.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~duc/software/misc/wordlist.html (https://www.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~duc/software/misc/vn_words.zip. Pour cette liste, je ne peux rien dire sur sa qualité. La page d'explication est ici. Pamputt (talk) 08:25, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

• Super, merci Pamputt. Nous devons doucement pouser pour mettre de l'ordre dans ces listes. Sur ce sujet, je viens d'ébaucher une discussion avec Olaf sur ma talkpage. J'essaie de mener par l'exemple avec les listes Unilex.
  Il y a aussi la possibilité de mettre des textes explicatifs ou modèles en talkpage. Yug (talk) 08:29, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

LinguaLibre:Jargon

Tu vois l'idée ? (🗨️ translate) I attempt to create a mini-encyclopedia of our specific vocabulary and concepts. I have a biase toward my center of interest sorry for that but I could be a good community work. Yug (talk) 17:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

User:SangeetaRH

Hello Pamputt, I think s.he reached the ratelimit but I can't follow it this coming 2 days. Yug (talk) 22:35, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I will try to have a look. Pamputt (talk) 06:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I ended my IRL work sprint. I'am chilling around a bit this evening. Will return tomorrow. Yug (talk) 21:39, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

↑ Lol. Yug (talk) 17:07, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Still laughing at this one. Yug (talk) 21:00, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

common.js

Thank you. This explains why I wasn't able to test the generator. Olaf (talk) 12:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Propriété pour les audios défectueux

Salut @Pamputt je ne sais pas si tu es au courant, j'ai créé J'ai créé type of issue (P33), une propriété qui permet de marquer les enregistrements problématiques, avec 3 problèmes récurrents :

• wrong language code (Q593546) (mauvais code langue)
• wrong transcription (Q593593) (mauvaise transcription)
• audio defect (Q593666) (audio défectueux)

Je ne sais pas s'il existe une possibilité de marquer en une fois une liste d'éléments avec une propriété, mais ça pourrait être complémentaire des listes de LinguaLibre:Misleading_items 🙂
À plus ! — WikiLucas (🖋️) 09:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Salut WikiLucas00, oui j'avais vu cette propriété. Pour le moment, je suis en train d'alléger la page LinguaLibre:Misleading_items car j'avais souvent une erreur indiquant un time-out. Maintenant, c'est mieux. A terme, il faudrait effectivement migré vers le système de propriété. Pamputt (talk) 10:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Deux trucs

Bonjour,

Sur LinguaLibre:About/fr, le message « Rejoignez les 500 membres et 400 000+ enregistrements déjà sur Lingua Libre » est bizarre. En effet, on ne peut pas rejoindre des enregistrements. Mieux serait : « Rejoignez les 500 membres et ajoutez au 400 000+ enregistrements déjà sur Lingua Libre ».

Par ailleurs, je lis sur le chat room que Lili a atteint 500 000 [2]. Si c'est le nombre d'enregistrements, il faut aussi mettre à jour le message (en anglais, en français et dans les autres langues)

Salut Cantons-de-l'Est, j'ai modifié le message en tenant de tes remarques. N'hésite pas si quelque chose coince encore. Pamputt (talk) 16:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

tvar et admin sur LinguaLibre:Translation_administrators

Bonjour Pamputt,
Merci pour la mise à jour ;) Je mettais tvar name="1" au lieu de mettre l'ancienne notation. —Eihel (talk) 10:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Salut Eihel, oui j'ai vu cette nouvelle notation. Je vais essayer de m'y adapter :) Pamputt (talk) 21:23, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Salutations dominicales, Ce n'était pas une critique, mais un constat. Justement, je crains que la nouvelle notation n'ai pas l'effet escompté. J'ai mis la nouvelle balise et il me semble que l'affichage redonnait la balise "en clair". Mais les faits sont lointains, je peux vous écrire des bêtises. Bref, à vérifier et donnez-moi des nouvelles si vous avez ce problème. tt de bon. —Eihel (talk) 10:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

p.s. désolé du retard, je n'ai pas reçu la notification… ♥ —Eihel (talk) 10:04, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Re-bonjour, c'est bien ce qui me semblait : voir ce test. Amicalement. —Eihel (talk) 10:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Salut Eihel, en effet ça ne semble pas fonctionner ici. Probablement parce que l'extension Translate n'est pas à jour ici. Je vais ouvrir un ticket sur Phabricator pour garder ça en tête. Pamputt (talk) 10:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Voir T295250. Pamputt (talk) 11:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Translations and move

I renamed {{Bot cycle}} to {{Bot steps}} but the translated pages did not follow.

• The page Template:Bot cycle/Documentation has been moved to Template:Bot steps/Documentation.
• The page Template:Bot cycle/Documentation/en could not be moved to Template:Bot steps/Documentation/en.
• The page Template:Bot cycle/Documentation/fr could not be moved to Template:Bot steps/Documentation/fr.
• The page Template:Bot cycle/Documentation/mk could not be moved to Template:Bot steps/Documentation/mk.
• The page Template:Bot cycle/text has been moved to Template:Bot steps/text.
• The page Template:Bot cycle/text/en could not be moved to Template:Bot steps/text/en.
• The page Template:Bot cycle/text/fr could not be moved to Template:Bot steps/text/fr.
• The page Template:Bot cycle/text/mk could not be moved to Template:Bot steps/text/mk.

Could you help. Yug (talk) 20:57, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Yug Done translation pages need to be moved at the same time as the main page. Pamputt (talk) 10:53, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Merci Pamputt !!!! :D Yug (talk) 16:25, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Pamputt hello, the noincludes are used so the introduction alone is displayed in Lingualibre:Events. Yug (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm, to do that, I guess it is better to create a subpage that will be inserted in LinguaLibre:Events#Patrol_assistance_tool_prototyping_project and LinguaLibre:Events/Patrol_assistance_tool_prototyping_project. I will do it. Pamputt (talk) 20:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Code of Conduct

Hello Pamputt, I think you noticed the vote on adoption of WMF's code of conduct, here LinguaLibre:Chat_room#Vote_2. I there an issue I'am unaware of which makes that no one vote on it ? If so please point it out so I remove the call to vote. Otherwise please help me to push that vote forward, it's an obvious case, but I believe passing it through a vote would give a fairer legitimacy. Yug (talk) 20:41, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Salut Yug oui je ne suis pas intervenu. En fait, c'est parce que je n'ai rien de spécial à dire sur le sujet. Je ne pense pas que ça soit primordial d'avoir un code de conduite explicite (je ne me suis pas penché sur ce qu'il y avait dans celui de la fondation, hormis les grandes lignes) mais si des gens tiennent à en avoir un, je ne m'y oppose aucunement. Pamputt (talk) 22:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Comme tous les CoC's wikimediens : respect des autres, non-discriminations, ni piques verbales, etc. C'est un filet de sécurité pour cadrer rapidement les dérapages. Tu as raison c'est vraiment plat comme débat, je le vois aussi. Mais je suis tombé sur cette question, je me suis dit : "autant y passer au plus vite est c'est plié". Yug (talk) 23:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Yug/Help:SPARQL → Help:SPARQL

Salut Pamputt,
Lucas, Vigneron et moi avons entrepris cette semaine passée la création d'une vraie page "Help:SPARQL dans le contexte de LinguaLibre". La recréation est 95% prête, contenus et mise en forme. J'aimerai avancer vers la publication mais je suis limité par la présence de la page actuelle de bien moindre qualité et complétude, mais traduite en plusieurs langues.
Comment pourrions nous / devrions nous gérer le remplacement complet de page déjà traduite ? Yug (talk) 20:31, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Salut Yug, si le texte change complètement (ce qui est le cas ici), alors il n'y a pas grand chose à faire. Il faut remplacer tout le texte et apposer de nouvelles balises de traduction. Et il faudra recommencer les traductions à zéro. Mais ce n'est pas dramatique. Il faut juste être sûr qu'on ne perd aucune information (utile) entre la page actuelle et la future page. Pamputt (talk) 13:35, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Compris. On fait comme ça. Yug (talk) 15:25, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Transcription(s)

Salut Pamputt, le contributeur en Mon ajoute des transcriptions aditionnelles. Qu'en penses tu ? Yug (talk) 08:44, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Split translated page with map data visualisation

Re! I noticed LinguaLibre:Community contains a map, which should be a data visualisation at LinguaLibre:Map, LinguaLibre:Speakers map, or {{Speakers map}}. How should I proceed to break appart and move this translated page ? Note: aside of this map section, very little is translate. So I would like to move this page with its translations. Then recreate a LinguaLibre:Community page with the 2 section titles, the inclused map as template, and the section translation in those ~6 languages.

I'am likely to break things... So I need mentor watching what I do. Ok for you ? Yug (talk) 10:03, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

WikidataSearch

Hello Pamputt, Any idea what this is ? Is it in use somewhere or is it dead code ? Yug (talk) 21:08, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Hide one version of the history

Hello Pamputt, I saved an email by mistake. Can you remove or hide this version ? Yug (talk) 05:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Salut Yug il semble que je ne puisse pas masquer les révisions comme sur les autres wikis. Ca vient probablement d'une extension qui n'est pas installée mais je n'ai pas le temps de chercher laquelle pour le momment. Peut-être qu'0x010C ou Poslovitch en savent plus. Pamputt (talk) 09:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Salut Yug et Pamputt, j'ai donné la perm aux sysops. Redis moi si ça fonctionne :) --Poslovitch (talk) 13:57, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

J'ai checké par moi-même, ça a l'air de fonctionner. Confirmez-moi si j'ai bien caché la bonne modif s'il vous plaît --Poslovitch (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Poslovitch Yes, seems good. Yug (talk) 17:56, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Poslovitch c'est bon, je vois maintenant le bouton pour cacher/afficher les révisions. Merci Pamputt (talk) 12:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Wiki-activity

See also {{Helps}}, {{Technicals}}, {{Projects}}.

Hello Pamputt, thank you for your initiative on {{Helps}} which gather our help page into a well organized and thematic navigation template. This will be useful to the new Lingualibre Service Civique.

I take the opportunity to share with you some community news. For the past 2 years, a most discussions by the core French contributors has migrated from the wiki to our Discord. I relunctantly (see privacy concerns) joined too a year ago, boosting the discord activity for a while. Despite willful effort efforts to always communicate in English to onboard non-French speaker, it didnt took off. Also, in past 1+ year, discussions on the wiki are low. As of now and for past few months, the Discord activity is flat as well. Several internal and external factors lead to such situation :

• French language is done and has reach a plateau (applies to all French voices but Poslovitch)
• Summer is there (applies to everyone but me)
• Core French contributors are desengaged or expressed needs for a wikipause (Poslovitch, myself)

On the good news, Wikimedia France is initiating several Lingualibre pushes:

• One Lingualibre Service civique, for 6 months (Sept-Feb), on outreach
• One call for freelance developer, to fix core bugs
• And i believe, one developer for post recording audio quality check. (To confirm)

These are the core info you may have missed since not being on Discord. Also, thank again for your initiative on {{Helps}} 🎉🌻. Yug (talk) 07:41, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Yug salut, merci pour les infos. Il y a des hauts et des bas, donc ça pourrait reprendre ; il continue d'y avoir des enregistrements audio pratiquement tous les jours. En tout, merci pour le travail que vous avez réalisé ces derniers mois. La motivation va revenir, surtout si des dév. financés par WMFr redonne un peu de vigueur technique au site :D Pamputt (talk) 05:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Yep, mais je suis lessivé dans l'immediat.

1) Dans la vision large, {{Helps}}, {{Technicals}} et {{Projects}} montrent que l'on avance vers un socle et une boîte à outils méthodologique pour documenter n'importe quel langue. Je crée ce socle seul, ce qui en limite et la qualité, et la porté. J'ai régulièrement posté des appels à contribution ou simple relecture sur Discord mais cela ne suit pas. Je pense de mon coté avoir épuisé mes leviers (appels à la contributions / à l'aide) et mon capital sympathie (?): la communauté FR ignore simplement mes appels ou n'y voit pas d'intérêts et me laisse courrir seul. Aussi, si dans l'année tu as une fenêtre pour mener de l'organisation de la communauté vers la consolidation et/ou l'utilisation de ce socle, c'est vraiment le bienvenu.

2) Dans l'immédiat et pour accueillir Mélody, j'ai également créé Template:Projects pour répertorier les initiatives organisées. Pareil que le modèle précédant, je me perd dans ce systeme de traduction et j'aurai besoin de ton mentoring :

• Je ne comprends pas pourquoi on a Template:Helps/text ET Template:Helps/text/en.
• J'ai créé Template:Projects/text, mais pas Template:Projects/text/en.
• Tu peux surveiller Special:Contributions/Yug ;)

PS: ne pas traduire pour le moment.

Yug (talk) 09:36, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Renommage de compte LiLi

Bonjour Pamputt, je souhaiterais te/vous contacter afin de renommer mon compte GamissimoYT en Manjiro5 En effet, depuis le renommage de mon compte Wikimedia global, cela ne s'est pas actualisé sur Lili et je ne peux publier aucun nouvel enregistrement Lingua Libre sur Commons. Pourriez-vous m'aider ? Merci d'avance manȷıro^💬 08:29, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Je vous ai répondu ici. Pouvez-vous essayer ce que j'ai indiqué ? Pamputt (talk) 10:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Request- Add new Language for Brahmi Script

Brahmi is a Indian Ancient script used Northern India to Southern India. My kindly request to you, please add Brahmi in lingua libre

Wikidata :Brahmi (Q185083) Thank You--Sriveenkat (talk) 05:37, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Sriveenkat WikiLucas replied to you first, so I think it is better to continue the discussion over there. Pamputt (talk) 07:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Request to add new language

Hello, I am here to request for the addition of the Central Dusun (Kadazandusun) language. The Wikidata item is Q85970302 and Q5317225 (which ever is more appropriate). The ISO 639-3 language code is dtp. Thank you - Ultron90 (talk) 10:25, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ultron90 Done Kadazandusun (Q1083586) Pamputt (talk) 08:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Request to add new language (Kensiu)

Greetings. I would like to request for a new language to be added to LinguaLibre. The language is "Kensiu" and is on Wikidata as Q6391529, with the ISO 639-3 language code kns. Thanks. EmpAhmadK (talk) 03:33, 23 February 2024 (UTC)