User talk:Titodutta

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30.000

Congratulations on passing 30.000 recordings! You're doing an amazing and valuable work. Thank you — WikiLucas (🖋️) 22:21, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Lucas. Thanks for your work to improve LinguaLibre project and for encouraging others. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 22:25, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Titodutta,

Same, I noticed your efforts on LinguaLibre:Stats : congratulation and thank you for your push on Bengali. That's impressive and a solid ground upon which to build learning apps in years to come. :) Yug (talk) 14:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Yug. Hopefully these files will be helpful for some.. Regards. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 17:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Tamil ?

Hello, this Tamil frequency study (2008) came my way. I don't think of any place where to store this right now aside of wikipedia maybe ? It would be interesting to consider the creation of an "Indian Subcontinent Languages" focus group and portal/project page, to create a group dynamic and maybe some collaboration with leading academic institutions in the field. Yug (talk) 10:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

• Absolutely Yug. This sounds interesting. Perhaps we can think of something similar to WikiProject concept on Wikipedia, Wikidata etc? --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 09:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Github

Hi there, I'am temporarily taking over the Github LinguaLibre group. I'am looking for an Indian relay to join in, someone who can smooth on-boarding for future Indian developers wishing to contribute. The task would be to be the Indian co-"owner" of the Group, and to grant access to Indian wikimedian-developer as "members" on the basis of trust. So it needs to know the Indian community a bit. I do it for French/Westerners. Are you or do you know someone who could be interested by this role of co-owner for Indians ? Yug (talk) 19:53, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Titodutta, I invited you to the Github LL group as member. As I checked out your profile, you don't seems to be a developer nor familiar with Github. So it may be more relevant to keep you as a simple "member". Your knowledge of Indian community and its potential volunteer developers will still be valuable knowledge to lead some onboarding as needed. India as such linguistic diversity to preserve, It's an interesting direction to develop in coming years ;) Yug (talk) 08:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

PS: I'am thinking about Wikimedian Tshrinivasan as a potential Github Indian co-owner. He contributed to LL back in 2017 and is very familiar with NLP, Github, and relevant R&D. Yug (talk) 08:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

• Shrini (that's his nickname) would be a good choice, he is a good friend of mine. Let me know if you want me to connect. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 12:17, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Titodutta,

Your Shrini = my Tshrinivasan right ?

I create new userbox template for your userpage. Try this out ! {{user records-ben|username=Titodutta}} ;) Yug (talk) 20:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Ya, ya, Tshrinivasan :) --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 22:08, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I contacted him and made it a member on Github around mid January indeed ;) Yug (talk) 22:21, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

• That's a good involvement. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 22:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Minor English help

Hello Titodutta,
As a French speaker my English is not always sufficient. Could you help me to find a better pagename for Help:Converting_audios ? Would "Help:Converting audio formats" be correct and better ? Yug (talk) 20:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• Yes, "Help:Converting audio formats" or "Help:Converting audio" sound better. See naming convention at c:Help:Converting video or c:Help:Converting. "?" is also not needed. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 11:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Done Great, thank you. Yug (talk) 11:04, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Leading Indic languages

Babel user information
mar This user contributes to Lingua Libre in Marathi. ben This user contributes to Lingua Libre in Bengali. pan This user contributes to Lingua Libre in Panjabi.
Users by language

Hello Titodutta,
WikiLucas00 and myself started to tag contributors' userpage with the {{User records-fra}}, {{User records-deu}}, {{User records-mar}}, and other variants of the template, and usertalk's pages with a Welcome template + small custom message. This is a first stone for the coming per-language-family community building. I question this approach. Aren't we French admins contributors taking up a meaningful team building opportunities from you and active Indian contributors ? WikiLucas00 and myself have agreed to "slow down (but continue)" on this action to allow Indian contributors to welcome new Indian contributors. Personally I use this Recent Non-Audio with a shortcut provided by the Wikigadget Recent Non-audio to notice new arrivals. Feel free to discuss this welcoming issue with us, we will help as we can. Yug (talk) 11:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

• User creation log is another option. I added a few welcome messages on user talk pages earlier. I'll welcome new users. I asked Subodh Kulkrani to add Marathi userboxes, which he has started to do. I'll ask User:Nitesh Gill to do the same for Punjabi. Regards. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 18:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Great. With 3 active users + the French folks around we start to have a sustainable Indian community here. All my thanks to Subodh & Nitesh Gill. Yug (talk) 18:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Rate limits

Hello Titodutta, I just realized we haven't discussed the RateLimit issue. Commons limits accounts without "autopatrolled" rights to 380 uploads per 72min. See LinguaLibre:User_rights#User_rights_on_Commons. We have to do special requests on Commons to expands those rights. This is usually granted within 24 hours. Could you share the word ? Yug (talk) 12:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I now inform users who made at at least one session with 200+ recordings with :

Code	Result	Comment
{{subst:user ratelimit|user=JayashreeVI}}	Hello JayashreeVI, your current userrights on Commons limits you to 380 recordings per 72mins. We can upgrade you rapidly via a request on Commons:Requests for rights. Interested ?	Template is a work in progress and still unstable. Be sure to always use subst: and to check the end result.

Yug (talk) 20:50, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

• Could you tell me what does "one session with 200+ recordings" mean? Regards. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 23:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
  • When an user does 200+ recording on one strike. It's visible in the recent change because the timestamps have very small space. Yug (talk) 23:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@Yug  Oppose It is a good general idea to push for more contributors having the autopatrolled rights on Commons, and that is an obstacle we'll have to face in the future of the project. But I recomend that we collectively talk about this matter during the next online meeting (NB: not planned for the moment) before any systematic message like this one. Rather than asking every contributor here if they want the status, and then push for the vote on Commons:Requests for rights page, we could maybe initiate a discussion with Commons' community, to see if we can agree on a long-term solution.
For the moment, I think we should rather just create a Help page dedicated to this problem, explaining it and how to ask for the status on Commons, and link this page in the Help:Main page. The priority is the Welcome template, that for instance you didn't paste on this new user's talk page. As a newcomer who only made 1 recording like BamLifa, I think I'd prefer a "Welcome!" message than a "Want to go larger?" one. Best regards — WikiLucas (🖋️) 01:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

@WikiLucas00 revert me on BamLifa. That's it. It's really ok. I was checking several users and I generally inspect the number of edits they have on commons via the API results, I visbly misinterpreted the results. Also, no, I have no obligation to paste a template. Sometime I do, other times i don't. At that moment I had my user_ratelimit code in my presspapier, I was testing that, focused on that, reviewing people user-rights and edits counts, I'am also at the end of my day with red eyes from screen time, I didn't paste the Welcome template. Maybe tomorrow. It's not healthy either to ask to stop something on the wiki because we will soon have an IRL/outside meeting.

As of tonight and now, 2am Thursday morning, no, I won't design the perfect solution nor should you request me to have an all perfect solution or stop on first 6 hours of exploring this issue. The ones who do decide. The ones who follow correct and improve. It's the wiki way. Tonight's process is a draft to improve. You don't have to jump in an  Oppose. Propose a better process to 1) avoid emerging users to bump into the ratelimit as they visibly do now, 2) set better criteria to not give undue user-rights to lowly active users, and 3) open a discussion on commons to find a long term solution.

But knowing this ratelimit error occurs and stop audio uploads with no human-friendly explanations, users do close their tab and lost recordings (Luilui6666 when facing this bug in June), we should not wait to help users who are affected or risk being affected by this limit. The marathi and other western languages recorders who have been active this past month are likely affected too. Help is welcome to fill their commons autopatrol userights requests AND do lead the proposals you talked about : group conversation, long term solution. All needed asap. And all will get improved over time. Yug (talk) 01:20, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Lists

You can also run these commands with iso=bn, I believ it will create the right files for you Help:How_to_create_a_frequency_list?#UNILEX.27s_lists. Same comands as I used for the new repository. Yug (talk) 19:59, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Lists by Marathi contributors

Hello Tito, सुबोध_कुलकर्णी,
I'am noticing a pattern in lists creation among the Marathi community : creating lists for few words, repeat. See the discussion on User_talk:नंदिनी_रानडे. I think there are following a given creation process and are not aware of the possibility of expanding their lists. I don't know what solution to recommend, because I have no idea what these lists are about nor in which contexts they contribute, what wikilevel and what age they have and therefore how I should interact with them. Could you help there ? Yug (talk) 19:44, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

• Indeed, a list can possibly have more words. The approach of Lexeme Marathi community is working on should be helpful. --টিটো দত্ত (Titodutta) (কথা) 12:02, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I still wait yours and सुबोध_कुलकर्णी feedback on how the Marathi community lead its lists creations, but at one point we will have to make some clean up, merging and suppression in List:Fra/* and List:Mar/*. As for Marathi, Special:Contributions/नंदिनी_रानडे shows that each list is only created, never edited. Likely an UX issue, which can be solved by simple explanations. Yug (talk) 13:22, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Tito, सुबोध_कुलकर्णी, I have not heard back from User_talk:नंदिनी_रानडे. Either language (I doubt it) or usage (culture, web confidence, understanding of MediaWiki's UI, etc) are preventing mentoring. Or do you have non-wiki channels with these users ? We need your help :) Yug (talk) 12:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)