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== Migration of technical contents ==
Hello all, Please help migrate technical contents from the main [[LinguaLibre:Chat room]] to here. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 18:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

== 2021 Github refreshing : call for volunteers and discussion ==
:''See also [https://github.com/lingua-libre Github.com/lingua-libre]''
Hello all,<br>
Since November 2020 there is an ongoing effort to clean up, document, fix the 11 github repositories upon which LinguaLibre.org stands. A summary is available on [[LinguaLibre:Chat_room|the main forum]] and will be migrated here shortly. This section will focus on gathering users with development skills and discuss about possible fields of action (repositories). We especially look for '''Bot Masters (Python, NodeJS)''', '''Sparql expert''', '''VueJS''' developpers, issues coordinators. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:57, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

== Early 2021 codings : Wikivalley & volunteers communication board !==
WikiValley have been selected to make a notable technical push on the LinguaLibre Suite where volunteer developers are not enough. They will coordinate with volunteers developers in order to smooth everyone's work, avoid duplicate efforts and git conflicts. The ''Start'', ''End'', and '''Repositories''' columns below are especially important, please keep them up to date, respect them, or change them whenever required. If you need to work on a repository under work, contact the developer listed there and organize as needed. Our objective here is to keep clarity and to progress smoothly. Please avoid emails and prefer communicating here within subsections so we can all be somehow aware of how are things going. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
:Note: Volunteers started working around in December. WikiValley around Feb. 11th. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

{| class="wikitable"
!colspan=6| Past developments
|-
! Start || End || Contacts/dev || Team || Repository || Advancement & result so far.
|-
| 2021/02/01 || 2021/02/10 || [[USer:Yug|Yug]] || Volunteers || SignIt || Get back control (access right) ; fix video query ; test locally ; publish new version on Mozilla store<br>→ Fixed Firefox extension
|-
| 2021/02/01 || 2021/02/16? || Yug<br>Michael || Volunteers<br>WM-France || /operations<br>/CommonDownloadTool || Explore possible breakpoints ; identify likely cause ; fix ; deploy ; run <br>→ Fixed https://lingualibre.org/datasets/
|-
| 2021/02/11 || 2021/02/11 || [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]<br>Wiki Valley || Wiki Valley || Blazegraph (updater) || Explore possible breakpoints ; identify cause ; fix ; deploy ; inquire on numbers differences<br>→ Fixed [[LinguaLibre:Stats]]
|-
!colspan=6| Current developments
|-
| 2021/02/01 || 2022/01/01 || [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] || Volunteers || Lingua-Libre-Bot || Maintain, update and operate the bot.<br/>2021 Q1 [WIP]: Refactor the bot to ease implementations of additional Wiktionaries.
|-
!colspan=6| Planned developments
|-
| 2021/02/01 || 2021/03/?? || [[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] || Volunteers ||  /operations<br>/CommonDownloadTool  || Project: Explore datasets scripts and queries. May require SPARQL assistance.
|-
| 2021/02/? || 2021/02/? || [[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas00]]<br>Yug || Volunteers || CustomSubtitle<br>BlueLL || Explore Subtitle's ribbon's bug ; identify cause.
|-
| 2021/02/19 || 2021/02/? || [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]<br>Wiki Valley || Wiki Valley<br>[[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] || custom extensions + operations || Update to MediaWiki 1.35
|}

{{ping|VIGNERON}} please keep us informed a bit on what your team is touching. Just edit above and ping us to notify us of an update. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 16:25, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

== User box ? ==
{{#babel:records-mar|mar-N|cmn-1}}
It may be cool to create an userbox "dev" {{tl|userbox-dev}}, on the model of {{tl|userbox-records}}, with Python, Javascript, PHP, VueJS, Wikimedia Bot as specific sub-categorization ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:59, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
: I kinda disagree with that. Lingua Libre is not meant to become a hub for techies. Sure, we need all the help that comes, yet the only usecase I foresee for these userboxes would be in the event something goes bad and we need someone with the good skills to take care of that. But, since it has to be added by oneself on one's user page, the same can be said of the page where we list who does what (I don't recall how it's called). Which one of these two 'systems" should be kept? --[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 21:53, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
::In term of community I see ourselves as somewhere inbetween Wikipedia and Wikidata communities. We mainly deal with singleton : audio files, which are data units. People come, do a more or less powerful recording contributions, then sharply reduce their involvement and leave thousands files units here.
::And like Wikidata, we need people giving life to these data units. This is done via reuse, bots, webapps, text-to-speech. Developers' creations.
::So yes, developers have to become an important piece of our community. And we would gain to create some active dynamic gathered around languages and projects (repositories). [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 22:30, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

== Datasets has become super slow ? ==
I try to interpret and understand how /datasets are generate.
* On April 2020, French dataset of about 100,000 audios is processed in '''51 minutes'''.
* On February 2021, Bengali dataset of about 50,000 audios is processed in '''18 hours'''.

What do I miss ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 00:09, 13 February 2021 (UTC)


{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Zip file || Date || Bits
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| lingualibre_full.zip || 2019-May-17:01:18 || 1989664440
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| Q101-srr-Serer.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:09 || 14967
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| Q113-cmn-Mandarin_Chinese.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:09 || 112613
|-
| Q115107-bcl-Central_Bikol.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:09 || 166323
|-
| Q127-tam-Tamil.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:09 || 154352
|-
| Q130-zho-Chinese.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:10 || 2724328
|-
| Q131-hye-Armenian.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:10 || 824117
|-
| Q141-cym-Welsh.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:10 || 12905993
|-
| Q154-amh-Amharic.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:11 || 2653977
|-
| Q165-hat-Haitian_Creole.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:11 || 233588
|-
| Q169-tgl-Tagalog.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:11 || 77198
|-
| Q170137-mos-Mossi.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:11 || 1158142
|-
| Q205-gre-Greek.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:11 || 239390
|-
| Q231-myv-Erzya.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:21 || 205878
|-
| Q242-fon-Fon.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:21 || 1538614
|-
| Q258-nso-Northern_Sotho.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:24 || 774299
|-
| Q311-oci-Occitan.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:33 || 511332485
|-
| Q318-bam-Bambara.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:33 || 277786
|-
| Q321-gaa-Ga.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:33 || 3247380
|-
| Q336-ori-Odia.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:34 || 38697693
|-
| Q339-sat-Santali.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:34 || 128941
|-
| Q34-mar-Marathi.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:34 || 2274397
|-
| Q35-nld-Dutch.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:34 || 36279372
|-
| Q385-ita-Italian.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:34 || 3440247
|-
| Q388-que-Quechua.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:35 || 397476
|-
| Q39-tel-Telugu.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:35 || 85571
|-
| Q397-heb-Hebrew.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:35 || 1657223
|-
| Q405-bas-Basaa_language.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:35 || 1515700
|-
| Q437-mal-Malayalam.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:35 || 138601
|-
| Q446-pan-Punjabi.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:35 || 11004
|-
| Q4465-mis-Teochew_dialect.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:35 || 69734
|-
| Q45-nor-Norwegian.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:35 || 431566
|-
| Q46-ltz-Luxembourgish.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:35 || 1679618
|-
| Q51299-hav-Havu.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:37 || 56823
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| Q51302-tay-Atayal.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:37 || 65533
|-
| Q52067-bbj-Ghomala'_language.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:37 || 1765823
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| Q52068-bum-Bulu_language.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:37 || 1382789
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| Q52071-dua-Duala.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:37 || 1206427
|-
| Q52073-bdu-Oroko.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:37 || 1723960
|-
| Q52074-bzm-Londo.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:37 || 1750380
|-
| Q52295-atj-Atikamekw.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:37 || 7315215
|-
| Q74905-mis-Sursilvan.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:37 || 14618
|-
| Q83641-gcf-Guadeloupean_Creole_French.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:38 || 7412512
|-
| Q930-mis-Gascon_dialect.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:39 || 179656450
|-
| Q931-mis-Languedocien_dialect.zip || 2019-Nov-05:03:40 || 191575650
|-
| Q123-hin-Hindi.zip || 2020-Apr-25:03:30 || 1704401
|-
| Q126-por-Portuguese.zip || 2020-Apr-25:03:31 || 43732966
|-
| Q129-rus-Russian.zip || 2020-Apr-25:03:32 || 60844464
|-
| Q150-afr-Afrikaans.zip || 2020-Apr-25:04:18 || 42363003
|-
| Q159-dyu-Dioula_language.zip || 2020-Apr-25:04:18 || 784432
|-
| Q19858-bci-BaoulÃ©.zip || 2020-Apr-25:04:18 || 1268304
|-
| Q203-cat-Catalan.zip || 2020-Apr-25:04:18 || 9738365
|-
| Q204940-ken-Nyang_language.zip || 2020-Apr-25:04:18 || 483396
|-
| Q208-vie-Vietnamese.zip || 2020-Apr-25:04:18 || 8822067
|-
| Q219-ara-Arabic.zip || 2020-Apr-25:04:19 || 85373129
|-
| Q21-fra-French.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:10 || 2112950650
|-
| Q221062-mis-Cantonese.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:10 || 3895600
|-
| Q22-eng-English.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:12 || 131688602
|-
| Q25-epo-Esperanto.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:19 || 445662713
|-
| Q264201-ary-Moroccan_Arabic.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:19 || 1371064
|-
| Q273-kab-Kabyle.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:19 || 370876
|-
| Q298-pol-Polish.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:21 || 145009958
|-
| Q299-eus-Basque.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:21 || 46035866
|-
| Q33-fin-Finnish.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:46 || 19473062
|-
| Q386-spa-Spanish.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:46 || 28434220
|-
| Q389-jpn-Japanese.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:46 || 145688
|-
| Q392-ces-Czech.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:46 || 96844
|-
| Q44-swe-Swedish.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:46 || 166237
|-
| Q4901-shy-Shawiya_language.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:47 || 15804835
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| Q6714-arq-Algerian_Arabic.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:47 || 3420182
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| Q80-kan-Kannada.zip || 2020-Apr-25:05:47 || 3662223
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| Q24-deu-German.zip || 2021-Feb-11:15:32 || 258363332
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| Q307-ben-Bengali.zip || 2021-Feb-12:07:28 || 1079637723
|}

: IMO, this can only be investigated through the logs. Maybe the requests to Commons are taking a longer time than they used to? Maybe the datasets server is under higher load (thus slowing it)? We need you, Michaël! --[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 21:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Poslovitch}} could it be that the script upload the "never uploaded yet" ? If so, the April 2020 French dataset was just the 3000 recent French audios whereas Feb 2021 Bengali dataset was like "Yo, there are the 50,000 bengali audio, deal with it B)" [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 22:24, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Yug}} that might be it. I still don't fully understand what the script does and, well, we can say the documentation is clearly lacking there. I'm working on that too - but yeah, that might be why it's taking more time. We should let it run for a first time, and then force another dataset update a few days later so we can compare both. --[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 22:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Michael Barbereau WMFr}} Seems the script has finished running, right ? Any idea why it's so slow in 2021, is there some known overload or hardware issue ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 12:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
:::::Some of the root causes have been unearthed in this comment on GitHub: https://github.com/lingua-libre/CommonsDownloadTool/issues/2#issuecomment-780177124. --[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 23:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

== Using Magic Word {#language:} and Extension:CLDR (?) ==
:''For general awareness. No real question asked.''
I found out LL  [https://github.com/lingua-libre/operations/blob/master/mediawiki-config/LocalSettings.php#L325 uses] the [[:mw:Extension:CLDR|MediaWiki Extension CLDR]]. Its data comes from the [[:w:Common Locale Data Repository]] Project (CLDR), part of the Unicode Consortium. This extension automatizes translations from iso-639 codes to target languages name words, ex: <code>{#language:it|en}</code> → Italian. Coverage range is [https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-cldr/blob/master/CldrNames/CldrNamesHi.php#L3-L520 ~500 names in ~166 languages]. Translate wiki has  [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/CLDR#Contribute_to_an_existing_locale a tutorial] on how to contribute to this CLDR website.
* [[:mw:Help:Magic_words#Miscellaneous]] >  <nowiki>{{#language:language code|target language code}}</nowiki> 
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:ar|en}}</nowiki> → {{#language:ar|en}}
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:ar|hi}}</nowiki> → {{#language:ar|hi}}
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:ja|hi}}</nowiki> → {{#language:ja|hi}}
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:fr|he}}</nowiki> → {{#language:fr|he}} 
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:fra|he}}</nowiki> → {{#language:fra|he}} (not available)
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:fr-ca|he}}</nowiki> → {{#language:fr-ca|he}} (falls back on English)
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:mar|hi}}</nowiki> → {{#language:mar|hi}} (n.a) 
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:en|mar}}</nowiki> → {{#language:en|mar}} (falls back on English)
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:mar|en}}</nowiki> → {{#language:mar|en}} (n.a)
*:→ <nowiki>{{#language:mar|mar}}</nowiki> → {{#language:mar|mar}} (n.a)
** [[:mw:Extension:CLDR]] MediaWiki Extension : "Provides functions to localize the names of languages, countries, currencies, and time units based on their language code."
*** Github mirror > key folder : [https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-cldr/tree/master/CldrNames /CldrNames] & Wikimedia corrections [https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-cldr/tree/master/LocalNames here].

While we would gain to stay focus on our own recording mission, it stays interesting to be aware of this project. cc {{ping|Poslovitch}}, for the Magic Word. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 12:07, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
: Good to know, but I don't think we're going to use that in the foreseeable future. --[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 22:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

== BlueLL theme might break when updating to MW 1.35 ==
Hi {{ping|VIGNERON}}. According to this pending PR on GitHub (https://github.com/lingua-libre/BlueLL/pull/3), the BlueLL theme might not be compatible with MW 1.35. I have limited knowledge in MW themes, but I can merge the PR if needed. What's your opinion about it? --[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 10:49, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hi there, I also don't have the technical understanding of mediawiki themes to say much, but I encourage you to talk with jdlrobson to see what he think about his fix & 1.35. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 21:30, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|VIGNERON}} I resumed the conversation with jdlrobson [https://github.com/lingua-libre/BlueLL/pull/3 on his pull request]. But I admit I don't have the technical capability to properly review his code submission. Also, I believe upgrading to MW 1,35 and checking on skin compatibility is within WikiValley's mission. Please clarify, and feel free to slow down this PR discussion if required. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 12:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
:::I did a preliminary test of BlueLL on 1.35 and did similar changes, although these complete as a first try; I didn’t see this PR. So I will test more extensivelly the PR and will accept it after review. [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] ([[User talk:Seb35|talk]]) 10:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== Generate a summary.csv alongside the datasets ? ==
This idea just crossed my mind. Would it be interesting to generated a summary.csv file containing the list of available datasets, their generation date, their size in bytes '''with''' additional information such as amount of recordings, amount of speakers, total length of audio files... Any opinions? --[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 11:15, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:(Then why not a minimalist HTML5 webpage with a single table ? Would be more elegant. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 21:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC))
:Also, only 13 zip have been updated. More languages have been active in the past month alone. The /datasets/ also doesn't display the 100+ language he should. So I suspect <code>create_datasets.sh</code> is still not doing the full thing.
:Poslovitch, you see it too ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 21:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

== Where is LinguaImporter's code (admins only) ==
Hello, we have [[:phabricator:T233917#6835408|T233917]] which request to edit the ''language importer tool''. I checked [[Mediawiki:Common.js]] and github/lingua-libre with the UI's string [https://github.com/search?q=org%3Alingua-libre+LinguaImporter search:LinguaImporter] and [https://github.com/search?q=org%3Alingua-libre+Import+a+language&type=code search:Import a language], but nothing. Any idea where is this LanguageImporter tool coded ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 21:48, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:Found it. It's a Gadget.
:* [[MediaWiki:Gadget-LinguaImporter]]
:* [[MediaWiki:Gadget-LinguaImporter.js]]
:* [[MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-LinguaImporter.js]]
:[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 22:13, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
::{{Ping|WikiLucas00|Pamputt}}  I just want to know WHO know how to create a <code>Property</code> on lL's language Q-items ? It's still under discussion on phabricator, a possible language's <code>Property</code> qui aurait pour valeur <code>Category:Lingua_Libre_pronunciation-</code> + <code>ISO639-3</code>. Ex: <code>Category:Lingua_Libre_pronunciation-yue</code> or <code>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lingua_Libre_pronunciation-yue</code>. You are invited on [[:phabricator:T233917]] to give your input on this issue. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]])
:::To have a property "Commons category" (language) AND/OR "Commons category"(speaker) giving a link to the Commons category on each file is interesting.<br/> [[Special:NewProperty|Here]] is the link to create a new property, but unfortunately I never used it, maybe {{ping|VIGNERON}} or Pamputt will know better. — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 23:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

== Phabricator task priority ==
Hi {{u|Poslovitch}} and {{u|Yug}}. I saw you set priority levels to some Phabricator tasks ([[phab:T264117|T264117]], [[phab:T251866|T251866]], etc.). As already discussed quickly with Yug, I tink we should not decide by ourselves what is the priority of a bug report except if you claimed the report. The priority of the task should be discussed during Lingua Libre meeting gathering several people because what is you think is important may be less to me (and vice-versa). This is highly subjective and I do not see the benefits to set some priority if it has not been discussed collectively before. In addition, IMHO, it cannot be used to drive the WikiValley & VIGNERON's job because they are linked by their contract with WMFr, so if they want to work on additional bug report (not listed in the scope statement), then they will choose by themselves. So please, stop to change the priority or at least let us discuss that collectively before. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 09:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hi Pamputt, there is no will to dictate what WikiValley & VIGNERON have to do, we are two parallel teams, with different relations to the project. It would help if WikiValley or Wikimedia FR clarifies on phabricator via a tag which tasks WikiValley will take on so we, volunteers, may focus on OTHERS tasks. Be it code or community organization (Wiki Meet India coming).
:Still, we volunteers are active ''now'' and we need to sort these tasks better <u>for ourselves</u>, so we see better, and act where we can.
:Volunteers should not have to decipher and enter dozens tasks to understand what they are about, the task feasibility and importance. With lack of assessment we loose clarity, time and reduce our impact. We are volunteers. Volunteering, yes. But we must make the tasks easier to jump in and ''CODE/ACT''. No assessment is perfect, and any assessment can be bypassed. So since Poslovitch, myself, and other are diving into these tasks, let's share our assessments if we have any view on it, reword the 1/3 not-so-transparent task titles and descriptions, group them as needed, and improve as we can. Common wiki clean up as we go. And each adult takes the task(s) he wants following his need, naturally.
:As for myself, I made a push to organize task by column, then group by scope-and-repositories, and put most feasible scopes up, less feasible down. I will stop my cleaning today to focus on other things shortly. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:28, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
::Hi. I understand that you can be worried by the fact this triage '''seems''' sudden. And it actually is. Most tasks were left untriaged for months, while common project management practices (at least the ones I follow for years now) call for a preliminary triage based on the "Urgent/Not urgent" & "Important/Not important" criteria (I think it's called the "Decision Matrix"). A task is deemed "'''Urgent'''" if it is a task, if left uncompleted, which is or would severely impede or even block the fulfilling of '''the project's ''main goal''''' ; it is deemed "'''Important'''" if its completion contributes to improve or complete '''the project's ''capabilities'' to fulfil its ''mission(s)'''''. These are simple "Yes/No" questions that help provide a quick assessment of the priority of the task. And in most cases (out of my own experiences), this method gives the right priority. The slight "difference" between "main goal" and "mission(s)" is well defined for Lingua Libre; which is why I could do that assessment.
::However, I think you're wrong on the fact that the guy who assigned ''himself'' to the task should evaluate its priority. Unless he's applying the decision matrix, he would obviously be biased about it, don't you think?
::Yet, I personally kept myself from triaging issues on which I was not knowledgeable enough yet. But these issues should be triaged ASAP.
::Finally: no, triaging is not a way to "force" Vigneron and WikiValley to work on stuff they aren't contractually meant to. That is, unless a specific task actually blocks them in their work, or is somehow linked to what they're doing or whatever. As Yug put it, triaging is one the first steps to help us '''and''' other volunteers to finally grasp the work that's to be done - without getting lost at the first glance.
::It's not meant to be perfect, and it must be refined. But that would only be the case of a handful of tasks. Not all of them. --[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 12:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

== Ratelimit still an issue for our users ==
Following review of Phabricator tasks, Pamputt & myself discussed <code>ratelimit</code>. It came back to me that we do have to warn our new users of this 380 upload/72mins issues. I wanted to see if our new users bumped into this wall without us knowing, so I examined closely the stream of Olaf, who made 1000+ recording today.
:23:10-23:11: 23 
:22:54-23:08: 280
:22:19-22:25: 61
:[13mins pause here]
:20:52-21:06: 222    Note: 222+158=380
:[17mins pause here]
:20:26-20:35: 158
:[16mins pause here]
:20:09-20-10: 18     Note: 361+18=379
:19:14-19:58: 361
I find those numbers suspiciously close to the ratelimit. So I'am pretty confident Olaf runs into this upload fails, just found a workaround : he make pauses. Point is, we must notice our emerging active users better about this issue. I now inform users who made at at least one session with 100+ recordings with :
{| class="wikitable"
! Code || Result || Comment
|-
|
<nowiki>{{subst:user ratelimit|user=Olaf}}</nowiki>
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Hello Olaf, your [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=users&ususers=Olaf&usprop=groups%7Ceditcount%7Cregistration current userrights on Commons] limits you to [[LinguaLibre:User_rights#User_rights_on_Commons|380 recordings per 72mins]]. We can upgrade you rapidly via a request on [[:Commons:Commons:Requests for rights|Commons:Requests for rights]]. Interested ?
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I just asked autopatrol userright for Olaf. Let's monitor this issue closely and ask faster for autopatrol userrights on Commons for emerging users. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 00:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! User || Relevant timespan || Recording done || Forced pause ? || Hit ratelimit ? || Commons userrights
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| Olaf || n.a. || 380 recordings || yes || yes || autoconfirmed → request autopatrol : granted
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| Poemat || n.a. || 380 recordings || yes || yes || autoconfirmed → request autopatrol : granted
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| VictorDtmtc || 14:25-15:14 16 February 2021 || 380 recordings || 30mins || yes || autoconfirmed → request autopatrol : granted 
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| Webfil || 19:54-20:51 19 February 2021 || 380 recordings || 17mins || yes || autoconfirmed → Recommend message to user, request autopatrol  soon
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| KlaudiuMihaila || || 340 recording in 40mins || no || Got near ratelimit wall || autoconfirmed → Recommend message to user, request autopatrol soon
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| Eihel || 22:12-22:38 19 February 2021 || 318 recordings (26mins) || no || Got near ratelimit wall || autoconfirmed → Recommend message to user, request autopatrol soon
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:I misinterpreted API contributions data for 2 other users, then removed my message to them.
:The 4 users above didn't have autopatrol rights, were limited to 380 audios per 72 minutes, and developed by their own "pause then click upload again" strategy, if lucky. Audios not uploaded may also get lost if the tab is closed in between.
:We can assume the ratelimit wall to limit a good part of our active contributors rights now. I did not investigated the Marathi community.
:I asked for autopatrol rights for Olaf, ‎Poemat and VictorDtmtc. I think we must ask the same useright for KlaudiuMihaila before s.he hits the wall.
:Reminder: In June 2020, Luilui6666 lost few hundreds audios recordings by thinking the web browser tab had crash and required reboot, that's how we first investigated this issue. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 02:26, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
::Table above got updated on 19:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC). [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 19:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

== Poslovitch is now Lingua Libre Bot's operator ==
Thanks to Michaël, I now have access to the bot's account and will be able to test any changes made to its code. However, I'm wondering whether I have to "redo" the various bot agreements on the wikis or not. They were approved when 0x010C was the bot's operator, and now it's me - at least for a year, but it's definitely going to change again at some point -. So... What should be done ? --[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] ([[User talk:Poslovitch|talk]]) 16:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Poslovitch|Poslovitch]] Would love to have the bot implemented on ku.wiktionary. I have already discussed it with other users. How can I help? :) --[[User:Balyozxane|Balyozxane]]
::Welcome [[user:Balyozxane|Balyozxane]], We are building a page ([[LinguaLibre:Bot]]) to make such request. We will need you to provide us "best practice" examples of audio integration on ku.wiktionary. The form will be as 1) a link to some correctly formatted ku.wiktionary pages, and to : some explication of the template used, which field is what (because we don't read kurdish). [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 19:23, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Balyozxane}} hello, I moved your content on the dedicated page, [[LinguaLibre:Bot]]. We process such demands there. It's the first request, so bare with us. We improve our process on the go. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 18:47, 21 February 2021 (UTC)