User talk:Netha Hussain

Welcome

Welcome to Lingua Libre, Netha Hussain!

Lingua Libre is a project which aims to build a collaborative multilingual audiovisual corpus under free licence in order to expand knowledge about languages and help online language communities to develop.
You can help us!
You can visit this page if you want to learn more about the project.

Before starting

You can create your User page by clicking on it. We recommend that you integrate the babel template onto it. It is very useful to indicate to others the languages you speak, and to facilitate finding other persons speaking your languages. If you are not familiar with wikicode, you can go to this demo User page, read the instructions and copy the prepared babel template, and then paste it onto your user page before adapting it to your information. You can then publish your User page!

Where to start?

• Follow the steps of the Record Wizard
• Think of the words you want to record. You may enter them one by one (live list), use an existing category from a Wiktionary or Wikipedia project, or create your own list.

Do you need help?

You can visit this help page where you will find advice for beginning your contributions on Lingua Libre. If you did not find the answer to your question, please ask it in the Chat room.

Good practice

• Try to avoid background noises during the recording
• Please listen to the pronunciations before uploading them
• Consider using an external microphone

Best regards! Pamputt (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Netha,

Nice to see you here and welcome to Lingualibre ! We already worked in parallel on Covid19 projects. I suspect we will meet at the Wikimania. Feel free to ping me for help on Lingualibre. Yug (talk)

Hello Yug! What a pleasure to meet you here! We will be meeting at Wikimania, see you there! On Lingua Libre, I am creating lists of words to make it easy for Malayalam Wikimedians to record pronunciations. A small group of Malayalam Wikimedians are planning to conduct a training related to lexemes, where we will also introduce Lingua Libre. We hope to bring more participation to the lexeme project and enable our community to use Lingua Libre to create a rich corpus of Malayalam pronunciations. --Netha Hussain (talk) 02:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the head up on this Malayalam project.

For solid Wikimedia Commons users with auto-patrol rights your recording ability is unlimited.

First-timers are, on their side, limited to 380 uploads per 72mins due to limitations on Commons (but this can be done in 30mins when Lingualibre is used intensively).

Overall we generally recommend short, regular, 20mins recording sessions or about 200~350 words, it seems to be more enjoyable for our speakers.

You have the 101 summary. Best luck to you. Hugo en résidence (talk) 09:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, Yug! Thank you for the information! We are recording very short, 1.5-2 second audio of individual words from Wiktionary. These recordings would then be added to the corresponding pages on Wiktionary and Wikidata. As of now, there is no plan to record longer videos lasting minutes. I have a question, is there a tool for automatically or semi-automatically adding pronunciations recorded on Lingua Libre to Wiktionary and Wikidata? As an example, once I record the pronunciation of, say 100 words, I should be able to add those audio file automatically to the corresponding pages on Wiktionary and Wikidata? Thanks! --Netha Hussain (talk) 09:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi again,
On the time issue, I shall rephrase. Users without auto-patrol userrights or higher user-rights on Wikimedia Commons are limited to 380 audio recordings to upload to Commons per 72 mins. But given Lingualibre is very fast, this can be done in 30 mins. So if a recording sessions is more productive that 380 words, the user may have to keep the Lingualibre Step 5 open, and click "retry upload" an hour + later.
On wiktionary and Wikidata, yes, we have User:Lingua Libre Bot (python) which dispatch our audios to 5 supported wikis. See its meta page. We lack Python developers to expand this to more Wiktionaries. Hugo en résidence (talk) 14:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello again Hugo en résidence! Now I get it, thanks for your patience! Thanks also for introducing to Libre Bot, I will try and use that to make work easier. --Netha Hussain (talk) 04:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

On which wiktionary do you wish to implement it ?

Technically, it need to fork an existing Python code such this one for Odia, and localise it to match your wiktionary's articles structures (sections' titles). This therefore require some investigations on your target wiktionary's usages.

We also have to request the wiktionary's local community its agreement to run the bot there.

The place to gather this discussion is Lingualibre:Bot where you can open a new section. On our side, we only have User:Pamputt as our occasional Python volunteer, so delays are quite long unfortunately. If you can onboard Python developers from your community it could go faster. Hugo en résidence (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello again Hugo en résidence, I discussed this with some of the Malayalam community members, and none of them as of now have the capacity to collaborate for helping to localise Lingualibre Bot in Malayalam. I have this in mind, and I will come back once I (or the larger Malayalam community) have the resources to do it. I also don't foresee any opposition to run the bot on Malayalam Wiktionary from the community side. If the localization of the bot is something that is easily done within a day or so during a hackathon at Wikimania, I am all for it to do it together with someone who has the competence with the code - I can help with how to formulate the usages and sections in Malayalam. --Netha Hussain (talk) 20:47, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank. Pamputt, do you think you may keep your August 16-19 2023 free and be connected online in order to collaborate with new communities to adapt the bot ? Hugo en résidence (talk) 10:08, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Pamputt, I want to make the localization process as easy for you as possible my end, if you are interested in helping out. So I can try and find a time that works for you to have an online meeting. It doesn't have to be during Wikimania, it can be on other times too. My mother tongue is Malayalam, and I have experience working with Malayalam Wiktionary. I know what exactly is the content that you have to insert on Malayalam Wiktionary pages to add pronunciations there. The Malayalam Wiktionary community in 2009 had decided that global bots can be permitted to run on ml.wiktionary without asking the community for any additional approval. Additionally, two of the community members from Malayalam who use Lingua Libre have already expressed interest for having LinguaLibreBot localized to Malayalam. My email ID is nethahussain {@} gmail {.}com, if you are more comfortable with conversations on email. --Netha Hussain (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

I will be on holidays on August 16-19 and so will not be available at these dates, unfortunately. I am currently still quite busy with IRL stuff and I do not know when I will have time to contribute to Lingua Libre Bot (probably not before September). So it depends on what kind of support you expect from me. The first thing to do is to fill a new request for the Malayalam Wiktionary on LinguaLibre:Bot. Pamputt (talk) 09:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)