User talk:Balyozxane

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Best regards! Yug (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcome here Balyozxane! Happy to see kurdish language is coming ! :) Yug (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! --Balyozxane (talk) 04:11, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Kurdish lists to test ?

hello,
I noticed the emerging efforts of the Kurdish community, and noticed one of your community's bottleneck may be the lack of lists of words. I wonder if I could help, so I looked for and found a free frequency list online with the language code ku, which I believe is the same as kur (Kurdish language). I coded a command and created the two following lists :

• List:Kur/words-by-frequency-00001-to-01000
• List:Kur/words-by-frequency-01001-to-05000

Since I don't read Kurdish could you help me by confirming to me: are these lists indeed in Kurdish language ? are these frequency list relevant (are the words are indeed frequent Kurdish words) ? There may be minor noise such as letters or frequent acronyms, but it believe these list should be +95% to +99% of highly used Kurdish words. Yug (talk) 12:10, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Note:I did not find ckb – Sorani, kmr – Kurmanji, sdh – Southern Kurdish, nor lki – Laki language resources. Yug (talk) 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

@Yug These are all (Northern) Kurdish (Kurmanji) words. I believe you got the list from User:Şêr who prepared it from 37 issues of Le Monde diplomatique Kurdî. They are not manually edited to be in their dictionary form, still quite usefull tho, thank you so much! Btw I'm bothered by the lang codes used here. unicode.org Language Identifier Field Definitions says use "ku" for Northern Kurdish (Kurmanji), we use "ku" on ku.wikt as well but en.wikt recently switched to "kmr" (which I supported at the time). And right now all the kurdish words listed in c:Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-kur are in Northern Kurdish. I'm worried once Sorani (Central Kurdish) "ckb" starts uploading pronunciations, we might get in a little trouble. Any idea what to do?--Balyozxane (talk) 13:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Data: Hi there. My data actually comes from UNILEX, which is a Google-led Unicode Consortium project. So I suspect it uses Google's best scrappers and NLP. I then forked their github, and made a script to convert their format into Lili's List:* format. See:

• github.com/lingua-libre/unilex/data/frequency-sorted-hash//ig.txt
• github.com/lingua-libre/unilex/data/frequency-sorted-count//ig.txt

For the Kurdish files, replace ig by ku.

Iso3 ?: This is typically a discussion to have with your kurdish community, if possible computer linguists. As of now the Commons:Category:Lingua_Libre_pronunciation-kur has 577 files, or 30mins workload. We can change course. If you confirm me that:

1. Kurdish subgroup are distinct languages (either different word forms, grammar, conjugaisons, syntaxes such as spanish, portuguese, and braziliand portuguese).
2. the lists created today actually are kmr Northern Kurdish (Kurmanji)

We can do several things. First, move the lists to List:Kmr/. Second, confirm or add the 4 locals to Lingualibre. Third, notify the 3 Kurdish speakers that the all-inclusive kur code is depreciated. Then, help them to change their profiles to kmr or relevant form. Call them to continue working on List:Kmr/. As for the clean up, I'am not sure yet : rename or delete. Honestly, for efficiency sakes, we would go faster by removing and starting anew. Renaming would require hand work or bot work, and likely 2~3hours minimum. Yug (talk) 16:27, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi, let me comment about the codes and the Kurdish languages.

• kur is the macrocode for all Kurdish languages ("ku" is the ISO 639-1 code, Lingua Libre uses ISO 639-3 code so far to identify languages); it is similar to the code "ara" for all Arabic languages. In principle this code, that tags "Kurdish language", can thus be used by a locutor if he/she does not which specific Kurdish language he/she speaks.

If you know which Kurdish language you speak, you may use either "kur", or one of the following more precise codes (according to iso639-3.sil.org:

• "kmr", tags for the "Kurmanji/Northern Kurdish", is already present on Lingua Libre so it is already possible to record in this language
• "ckb", tags for the "Sorani/Central Kurdish", is already present on Lingua Libre so it is already possible to record in this language
• "sdh", tags for the Southern Kurdish. It is not yet present here. I can create it as Southern Kurdish.

So you can either choose the Kurdish language or a more specific one. Last point, if you can attest that all the recordings in Lingua Libre pronunciation-kur are actually Kurmanji, we can rename the category so that we clearly identify the Kurdish language. Pamputt (talk) 16:32, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both! I tried to bring the issue up on ku.wikt to see what they think but they (two most active users) are not inclined to use kmr for Northern Kurdish. I'll check with other people to see how we should proceed.--Balyozxane (talk) 19:15, 24 February 2021 (UTC)