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The '''2022.06 LinguaLibre online meetup''' (June 1st, 2022) is the mid year Wikimedia France-LinguaLibre meetup in order to plan the conferences-rich summer season, later 2022 and medium-term 2023 wishes.

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* '''Description''': Mid-year online meetup to prepare the high summer session for events, late 2022 and 2023.
* '''Place''': Online
* '''Time/Schedule''': 2022/06/01 >  8:00pm UTC+2.
* '''Organization''': [[User:Adélaïde Calais WMFr]], Wikimédia France.
* '''Participants:''' Poslovitch, Lyokoï, Rdrg109, Rodion (LanguageSeeker), 0x010C, Yug, Assassas77.
* '''Eitherpad:''' https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/2022.06_Lingualibre
* '''Visio:''' https://visio.wikimedia.fr/aca-ext-jtf-ubi
* '''Documents:'''  [[:meta:User:Adélaïde Calais WMFr/2022-2023 Lingualibre wishlist]] table and dependency graph.
* '''Outcome:''' Team building with new comers, discuss coming events, [[:meta:User:Adélaïde Calais WMFr/2022-2023 Lingualibre wishlist]], state of Lingualibre and needs for human resources on key bottlenecks.
* '''Review & improvements:''' Continue active planing 6 months ahead would be a plus. 

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== Missions map ==
1) MediaWiki maintenance and enhancing / solving underlying technical issues (SPARQL, lack of a developper environment, heavy bot, record wizard lacking beginners tools etc.)
2) Outreach : get more speakers, get more records
3) Features developments
4) Fund requests, aka money money money.
See also recent wishlist.
[[File:2022_LinguaLibre-DAG-project_management.png|thumb|center|800px|Directional Acyclic Graph of 2022-2023 Lingualibre wishes ([[:meta:User:Adelaide_Calais_WMFr/2022-2023_Lingualibre_wishlist]])]]

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== Translations ==
Not discussed.

== Calendar ==
;Contextual dates and deadlines
* 2022.03.11: Adelaide initiated the 2022-2023 Lingualibre wishlist.
* 2022.06.01 (event): Updated wishlist shared, call for improvement.
* 2022.06.05 (deadline): [[:meta:Celtic Knot Conference 2022]] > submission deadline. A conference for ''“communities working on a minority language on the Wikimedia projects”'',  See [[:meta:Celtic_Knot_Conference_2022/Online_program#Participate_in_the_"News_from_the_Language_Communities"_lightning_talks|requested format]]: <5mn prerecorded video.
* 2022.06.10 (deadline): Wikimania 2022 submition deadline. See [https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program#Session_format possible formats].
* 2022.06.21-23 (event): Lingua libre in Marseille. Opportunity to share our vision with French tech companies.
* 2022.07.01-02 (event): Celtic Knot Conference 2022.
* 2022.07.08-10 (event): Wikimedia France's Wikicamp. Opportunity to share our vision with WMFr's community.
* 2022.08.11-14 (event): Wikimania Online. Opportunity to share our vision with the global WMF's community.

== Minutes ==
:''This section is messy and unclear. Clarification welcome.''
* 20:06 Wikimania - Lyokoï wants to organize a contribution event around Lingua Libre - challenge style. "How many languages can we record on lingua libre in one day ?"
*Idea : need to prepare lists for people to pronounce.  Rodio has been working on a bot to generate lists of words that are missing . Olaf bot does that (grabbing words from wiktionnaries). 
* Tech days at Wikimania - last time turned into a presentation more than a hackathon. The issues we have are too complicated for newcomers to work on them. Rule out a hackathon.
** Note for the future : it would be nice to have a list that is more fluid - a tool that doesn't present the same words to every participant. 
* 20:21 Poslovitch: The recording process is intimidating for some users.
** RecordWizard url link with list loading
* 20:27 Lyokoi: It is not a problem that we have multiple recordings of the same word since the accent, the age or gender of each recording is also important
* 20:31 Rodion: At what point can we say that it's enough for the number of times the same word is recorded? 30 recordings? 100 recordings?
** 20:34 Rodion: When new users are willing to contribute, a list of words could be suggested and those words would be those that don't have much recordings
* [Gap in vision of what Lingua Libre is , and what it is for]
* 20:37 Poslovitch: Theme/topic generated lists was discussed in June, Hackaton 2021 at Lyon.
* New list types to think about: frequency list, never recorded lists, thematic lists.
* 20:44 acalai There will be an event in Massy, south of France, aimed to tech companies and tech researchers who work in languages resources. It lasts for 3 days.

* Events:
** Yug and Lyokoï - Marseilles
* 20:50 acalai MediaWiki update in spring 2023
* pufferments ? performances ? bug solving and hunting
* [[:meta:User:Adélaïde_Calais_WMFr/2022-2023_Lingualibre_wishlist]]
* 21:04 Poslovitch: Need Matomo to find those bugs that are affecting some users but haven't been solved yet due to the lack of a description of the bug. Use the proper property on each recording that is faulty. problem : when you've recorded 1000 words, no one wants to look at each individually and manually put the property on each of them. -> would need a batch editing tool (for power users)
* -> step 1 : create batch editing tool
* -> step 2 : have a human patrol campaign to create a corpus of faulty recordings
* -> step 3 : 
* 21:13 Poslovitch : lingua libre is no longer only a recording tool, it needs to be a sound library as well. 
* The datasets don't work. Lingua Libre bot has not been working for 7~8 weeks
* ALert : SPARQL is going to deter new developers (because it's hard and slow). Need json files of the datasets. 
* Need : developer environment - how to set up lingua libre on one's computer.
* Need processes and a yearly hackathon

== Outreach for resources ==
* A developer for 1 year ?
* University partnership - 1 lab of researchers to contribute to + use
* Outreach for money / Fundraising 

How to communicate with decision makers:
* To get fund : prove strategic role !
* Strategic arguments : diversity, revitalization, orality, reusability (forvo not very reusable), document and preserve dying languages
Francophonie.
* Ask questions when WMFr board meeting holds public discussion.

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