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Welcome to the Chat room! Place used to discuss any and all aspects of Lingua Libre: the project itself, discussions of the operations, policy and proposals, technical issues, etc. Other forums include for code-oriented issues, . Feel free to participate in any language you want to.

 
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== Datasets out of date ==
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== Results of Coverage Test of French Lemma and Non-Lemma forms is English Wiktionary ==
Hello. It seems that the datasets page, although it claims to run every 2 days, is completely out of date: all the available zips are from April 2020 or November 2019 (and the full zip from May 2019). Is this a known problem? Is there a plan to address it? [[User:Julien Baley|Julien Baley]] ([[User talk:Julien Baley|talk]]) 23:17, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 
:Indeed, it seems to have an issue with the dataset updating. I opened a [[phab:T261519|Phabricator ticket]] about this issue. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 18:24, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Publish on Wikimedia Commons ==
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While playing around with generating lists for pronunciation from Wiktionary, I decided to run a few tests on the current coverage of French lemma and non-lemma forms in English Wiktionary. I choose French because it is the largest datasets in LL.
  
Hello, I just tested, but my records are not published on Commons. My tests: on Firefox, then on Chrome, with 50, then with 1 expression (s), with license CC3.0-BY-SA and CC1.0. —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 06:51, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[[File:LiLi April 2021 - Publish on Wikimedia Commons.png|thumb|Problème de publication sur Wikimedia Commons]]
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Current Coverage of French in Lingua Libre
:[[phab:T281636]] —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 07:10, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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* Total French Entries in Lingua Libre by a native speaker: 233 982
:: Usually I have the same with the first two recordings in a session. Then I can upload them again at the end. Try again with more recordings, and using "retry filed upload" button. [[User:Poemat|Poemat]] ([[User talk:Poemat|talk]]) 08:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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* Unique French Entries in Lingua Libre by a native speaker: 154 358
::: Yup, I had this bug many times. (I say "had" because I don't remember having encountered it after the fire incident.) Just don't give up and it should be published eventually. [[User:DSwissK|DSwissK]] ([[User talk:DSwissK|talk]]) 11:56, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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* Percentage of overlap: 34%
::::(As of 3 May 2021 and as I checked, I'm not aware of any code changes ([https://github.com/lingua-libre/RecordWizard/commits/master history]) which may have of affected this. Seb35 made some other code change this same day.) [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:47, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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* Term with the greatest number of pronunciations: "blanc" with 40
I add a user who has the same problem: {{u|Le Commissaire}}. —[[User:Eihel-LiLi|Eihel-LiLi]] ([[User talk:Eihel-LiLi|talk]]) 15:33, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::Bonjour {{ping|Seb35}}, Faudrait voir avec {{u|Le Commissaire}} si le problème persiste aussi (avant de clore le ticket Phab. Sincères salutations. —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 10:01, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 
::::::J’ai mis un message à Le Commissaire sur sa page de discussion.
 
::::::Le problème que vous avez eu était spécifique à votre compte, c’est peut-être arrivé à d’autres personnes mais ça semble assez rare. Aussi, à partir du moment où un utilisateur a réussi à faire un envoi vers Commons, alors c’est un problème différent du vôtre ([[:phabricator:T275957|celui-ci, qui ressemble mais l’erreur est intermittente]]). Plus globalement, il faudrait que le message d’erreur soit explicite plutôt que d’aller à chercher dans la console du navigateur, je vais ouvrir un ticket Phabricator en ce sens. [[User:Seb35|Seb35]] ([[User talk:Seb35|talk]]) 10:28, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== Exclusion lists ==
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Current Coverage of [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:French_lemmas Category:French lemmas]
If anyone uses the regularly updated [[user:Olafbot|Olafbot's]] lists of wanted words ([[List:Fra/Lemmas-without-audio-sorted-by-number-of-wiktionaries]], etc.), and spotted an item that should be removed without recording, you can use the brand new exclusion lists to remove it. For example on the list [[List:Fra/Lemmas-without-audio-sorted-by-number-of-wiktionaries]] there was the word "abandonar", which apparently doesn't belong to the contemporary French corpus. Having added it on the exclusion list (here: [[user:Olafbot/exclusion list/Fra]]) the bot knows this item should never appear in French lists it maintains, and [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?title=List:Fra/Lemmas-without-audio-sorted-by-number-of-wiktionaries&diff=619214&oldid=606068 removes it] during the next update.  
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* Total entries in Category:French lemmas: 84 482
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* Pronounced entries: 50 917
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* Entries with pronunciation: 33 565
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* Coverage Percentage: 60.27%
  
Each "Lemmas without audio" list ({{Olafbot-wikt}}) has a corresponding exclusion list ({{Olafbot-exclusion}}). I hope it will help.
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Current Coverage of [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:French_non-lemma_forms Category:French non-lemma forms]
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* Total entries in Category:French non-lemma forms: 29 1225
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* pronounced entries: 26 791
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* Entries with pronunciation: 264 434
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* Coverage Percentage: : 9.20%
  
Normally I would add a link to the exclusion list in a description of each lemmas list, but unfortunately, Lingua Libre engine doesn't allow adding any kind of comments or descriptions to lists, so this ad is the only way to spread a word about the new functionality. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 09:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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For me, there are several lessons to be drawn.
:{{ping|Olaf}} Thank you so much for this useful new function! Indeed, the Record Wizard does not yet understand comments, categories nor templates on List pages, but this will be considered for future updates. — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 18:48, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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# First, there has been amazing growth on LL. Covering 60.27% percent is a real achievement.
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# The overlap percentage is quite small overall.
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# There needs to be a clearer sense of when LL should stop requesting pronunciations for a certain term because 40 pronunciations of "blanc" seems a bit excessive.
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#  A need exists to continue pro-actively targeting entries in Wiktionary that are not in Lingua Libre. Currently, 297 999 French lemma and non-lemma forms  require pronunciations.
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# Generating lists from Wiktionary and checking coverage is not as hard as I thought.
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# Lingua Libre has almost caught up with Forvo in the number of French pronunciations (233 982 vs 254, 703). Overall, Lingua Libre has shown amazing and healthy progress in a very short period of time. I'm excited about these results. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 03:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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:{{Ping|Languageseeker}} This investigation is pretty cool. (I'm not sure i understand all your numbers yet, but i will read again when back on my PC). Its quite nice to see we are reaching Forvo level for our lead language. It's possible we have more unique words than forvo since we have [[user:Olafbot]] actively guiding and pushing us on that path.
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:On Lili we have chosen to be a learning AND linguistic diversity audio database. When you account for gender, regional accents, age, voice type, having 40 french audios for a word is still 400+ voices short.
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:Also, all contributors are not able to contribute audio perfect files due to various shortcomings (hardware, no recording room, no noose cancelling system, etc). We lack proper rating and review system. It's on our [slow] roadmap tho. 😉
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:PS: Should i answer to you in French i get a feeling you are French or learning it. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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:: {{Ping|YUG}} Salut, Yug. Oui, je suis en train d'apprendre le français. Comme nous avons discutez pendant notre reunion, c'est difficile de definer les limits d'une language. Comme je le vois, les formes lemma ne suffit pas. Maintenant, je suis en train de crée un Olafbot sur steroid pour francais. Mon plan est de réaliser un program python qui peux analyser les modèle utilizer sur Wiktionary. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 15:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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:Hi {{ping|Languageseeker}}. I'm sorry I did not visit the Chat Room in a long time, and missed your report. Very interesting, good job! I remember a request I made to [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] some time ago: it would be interesting to have a list similar to the one Olafbot is updating, but containing only lemmas of the target language (to quickly have nearly all lemmas of a dictionary illustrated with an audio pron). Also, I suggest you to use the categories of the French version of Wiktionary when you plan to work on French (and some other languages, that are more extensively described there). As you can see [[:fr:wikt:Catégorie:Lemmes_en_français|here]], the category gathering French lemmas is more than 3 times more complete on the fr. version than on the en. version of Wiktionary. As you mentioned, these numbers are exciting, let's keep up the good work! All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 15:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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::: {{Ping|WikiLucas00}} Sorry, I totally forgot about your request. The list is now ready for French: [[List:Fra/Filtered-lemmas-without-audio-sorted-by-number-of-wiktionaries]]. It's produced like the other lists, but it's limited to words from Catégorie:Lemmes_en_français. The list will be refreshed together with the rest. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 16:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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:::: Hello {{ping|Olaf}}! Thank you so much for this list, it's going to be very useful for sure! Let's cover 100% of Lemmas 😎 I'll tell the French contributors on Discord about it 😉 All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 22:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
  
== Ajout d'une nouvelle langue ==
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== How to create user page ==
  
Bonjour !
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Hello, my user name is Ngangaesther from Kenya. I am still  stuck on how am supposed to create my user page kindly help
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regards Esther
  
Je souhaite ajouter la langue Q3196953 mais en suivant la [https://lingualibre.org/wiki/Help:Add_a_new_language/fr procédure], je ne vois pas LinguaImporter. Quelqu'un peut-il me dire pourquoi?
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== Odia language missing from [[LinguaLibre:Stats/Languages|Stats/Languages]] ==
  
Cdt,
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Hi there, for some reason, the Odia-language stats are missing from the [[LinguaLibre:Stats/Languages|Stats/Languages]] page. Also, "The most prolific speakers for the current month
BamLifa
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" section in the [[LinguaLibre:Stats/Speakers|Stats/Speakers]] page is not loading at all since the time I checked last (about 10 days). I have tried on Chromium and Firefox and the result is the same even after clearing cache. --[[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]] ([[User talk:Psubhashish|talk]]) 19:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
: {{ping|BamLifa}} c'est parce que tu n'es pas administrateur. Je viens d'importer le {{Q|646152}} [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 17:16, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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:Hello [[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]], it should be back online. We had a hackathon to put it back. We are calling for devs to push forwards. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 11:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|Pamputt}}, merci beaucoup pour cette précision. Si cette option n'est réservée qu'aux admins, pourquoi en parler dans la doc sans cette précision ? En plus, vue la multitude des langues que nous avons qui n'existent pas encore chez Lingua libre, ne pensez-vous pas que vous devriez simplifier cette tâche ? J'ai encore une autre langue à ajouter, le Bira (bila). [[User:BamLifa|BamLifa]] ([[User talk:BamLifa|talk]]) 12:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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:: Thank you for the update, [[User:Yug|Yug]]. --[[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]] ([[User talk:Psubhashish|talk]]) 14:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
:::{{ping|BamLifa}} c'est indiqué sur cette page (c'est même le titre de la section (Outil pour les administrateurs)). Je ne me rappelle pas pourquoi c'est réservé aux admins mais ça limite au moins les vandales qui voudraient importer des choses qui ne sont pas des langues. Bref, j'ai importé le {{Q|656403}} et le {{Q|656404}}. Si ce ne sont pas les bonnes langues, peux-tu me donner le code ISO 639-3 correspondant (ou au moins l'identifiant Wikidata) ? [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 14:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 
::::{{ping|Pamputt}}, Merci beaucoup. [[User:BamLifa|BamLifa]] ([[User talk:BamLifa|talk]]) 05:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== Lists still don't work properly ==
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== Manually-coded languages ==
  
{{Ping|WikiLucas00}} {{Ping|Poslovitch}} It's better than [[LinguaLibre:Chat_room#Lists_stopped_working|before]], but still, sometimes the Record Wizard hangs when a list is chosen.
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I came across [[:meta:Lingua Libre/SignIt]] recently (via betawiki) and was wondering if manually-coded languages would be appropriate for this as well? These are languages in sign modality, but strongly tied to a spoken/written language; they usually adopt the grammar of the nonmanual language, choosing instead to simply transpose the vocabulary. This means they are most often used in application-specific and pidgin contexts (Pidgin Sign for English and diver's signs are examples). In particular, I am interested in ''toki pona luka'', a manual form of {{q|338540}}. Since the vocab is the same as spoken/written toki pona, there are a minimal number of lexemes overall, so having a complete set of signs is easily achievable. Manually-coded languages including ''toki pona luka'' are generally not given a separate ISO 639 code since they are in effect equivalent to scripts. Would this cause a problem for the infrastructure as currently designed? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 05:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Then I have to reload the page, and try again. Usually the second or the third time of trying the same list, it starts to work.
 
Probably a race condition. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 09:47, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Olaf}}It also happens to me sometimes, but I think that it could be related to the button for removing words you already recorded. When you load a list of words you never recorded (typically Olafbot's lists), ticking the button seems to kill the loading. Best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 10:23, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 
:: Thank you. Indeed, with this switch unchecked everything seems to work. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 16:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== Liste des mots à prononcer  ==
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Salut ! Existe-t-il une page où des mots peuvent être ajoutés pour qu'un bon samaritain puisse parler ? [[User:Vivaelcelta|Vivaelcelta]] ([[User talk:Vivaelcelta|talk]]) 11:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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Hello [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]],
:Bonjour {{u|Vivaelcelta}}, les listes sont faites pour cela. Vous pouvez [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:Create_your_own_lists|créer votre propre liste]] qui pourra ensuite être enregistrée par n'importe qui. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 
:: Merci {{u|Pamputt}}. — [[User:Vivaelcelta|Vivaelcelta]] ([[User talk:Vivaelcelta|talk]]) 22:38, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== Projet Outils pour la patrouille ==
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I understand "manually coded languages" as synonymous to "signed languages", am I correct?<br />If there is no distinct ISO for the signed language, we could still:
:''See [[LinguaLibre:Events/Patrol assistance tool prototyping project]].''
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* Create a new wikidata item without ISO, which will be used as identifier by LinguaLibre infrastructure
{{LangSwitch
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* Use the spoken/write language ISO, and create lists of words all suffixed by <kbd>(signed)</kbd>.
|fr=Salut,
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Either of those solutions could work.
  
cette semaine commence un projet menés par des étudiants des formations IARF-RODECO de l’Université Toulouse 3 - Paul Sabatier concernant le prototypage d’outils de patrouille. Je suis, assisté par Adélaïde Calais, le superviseur de ce projet. Les étudiants sont en informatique avec une spécialisation en intelligence artificielle. L’idée est de leur faire prototyper (voire développer) des outils pour aider la patrouille de Lingua Libre en détectant automatiquement toutes sortes de problèmes. Nous avons déjà identifier quelques problèmes : clics, grésillements, bruits parasites et mauvaises prononciations (libellés et enregistrements pas raccord).
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If you have some knowledge of signed ''toki pona luka'' please let me know. We are adding features on Lingualibre and SignIt in order to be able to record video of signed words by late 2022. We are almost there. If you would like to record some basic signed words to share with the world, then let me know. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 20:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
  
Et nous avons besoin de la communauté sur deux points :  
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: Signed languages and manually-coded languages share similarities (the manual modality) and differences (since sign languages are 'native' to the signed modality, they use it more fully, having complete deixis and time-reference systems, use of handshape classifiers, etc.) -- 'luka' means 'hand'/'five', so that's the part of the name that indicates the manual modality, but otherwise it's just garden-variety toki pona. I am interested in using SignIt to record this vocab, yes. The '(signed)' suffix seems like a good way to do it. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 13:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
# y a-t-il d’autres problèmes auxquels vous pensez ?
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::[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]]: We increasingly have [[:commons:Commons:Bots/Requests/Dragons_Bot_(2)|tools]] to update and correct sign language recordings, so the suffix <code>(signed)</code> or the solution we choose appears incorrect, we still can correct it later using that bot.
# nous avons besoin, pour que les étudiants puissent travailler, d’enregistrements avec défauts. Si vous les avez réenregistrés, c’est pas grave, Commons a un historique. N’hésitez pas à nous communiquer les enregistrements qui ont ou avaient des défauts !
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::I would encourage you to first train yourself and learn that manually-coded language over the coming months. Indeed, we still have a very last bug within our video recording chain, which makes rightful videos appears as audio on Commons. We expect to solve this last issue this fall (September or October ?). So for now, I encourage you to rest well, reload energy, to get ready to record later this year. Maybe identify near you some suitable place with elegant monochrome wall to film over or consider building yourself a low-cost recording studio,. Etc.  We can discuss it to keep it low cost and effective if you are interested, as I'm also looking for such walls and/or considering building one for myself.
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::See also : [https://github.com/lingua-libre/SignIt/issues/18 Minimal Sign Language Studio guideline]. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 22:30, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
  
Enfin, j’ai créé une page de projet accessible [[Special:MyLanguage/LinguaLibre:Events/Patrol_assistance_tool_prototyping_project|ici]] (page traduite).
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== Update my username ==
  
(Si certain·es peuvent traduire ce message en anglais, c’est super cool.)
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I have changed my Wikimedia username but the previous name still appears in Lingua Libre. I know it's not included in unified logins. Anyway, please update my username to Aishik Rehman. [[User:Hirok Raja|Hirok Raja]] ([[User talk:Hirok Raja|talk]]) 15:14, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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: Hi Hirok Raja¸would you have an example of what you would like to see to be changed? I think you are talking about the filename but I am not sure, so with one example, it would be clearer. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]])
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::{{ping|Pamputt}} <br/> 1. Top menubar of lingualibre.org showing 'Hirok Raja' as my profile name. <br/> 2. After uploading when I try to check my uploads in Commons, it takes me to https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Hirok_Raja page. <br/> 3. 'Hirok Raja' being used as Default recorder in the file names and description <br/> 4. Change speaker name to 'Aishik Rehman' every time while recording is quite annoying to me. <br/> 5. Even here 'Hirok Raja' is showing as my signature by default ): [[User:Hirok Raja|Hirok Raja]] ([[User talk:Hirok Raja|talk]]) 19:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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:::I suspect this is due to long term cookies. Would be interesting to push a clean up for your connection cookies for Lingualibre, it will log you out, then come back here. [https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/storage?as=u&utm_source=inproduct&redirectslug=permission-store-data&redirectlocale=en-US On firefox].
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:::Open <code>about:preferences#privacy</code> > Go to "Cookies and Site Data"> Click "Manage Data" > Search "Lingualibre" > Remove selected. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 21:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
  
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== Siège communautaire de Wikimédia France – ouverture du vote / Community representative to Wikimédia France’s board - votes are opened ==
|en=Hi,
 
  
This week, a project lead by student of University Toulouse 3 - Paul Sabatier is starting. It will be about the prototyping of patrolling tools. I supervise this project, assisted by Adélaïde Calais. The students study computer science with a specialization in Artificial Intelligence. The aim is to have them prototyping (or even developing) tools to help Lingua Libre's patrol, by automatically detecting any kind of mistake/error related to the files. We already identified a few types of mistakes: clicks, crackles, pops and labelling issues (wrong label/wrong language).
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(English version below. Do not hesitate to correct my English translation.)
  
We need the community on two points :  
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(Message copié depuis le bistro du jour par [[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]] ([[User talk:Lepticed7|talk]]))
# are there other problems you could think of?
 
# we need some recordings having issues, in order for the students to be able to work. If you already recorded them again, it is not a big deal, Commons has a file history. Don't hesitate to provide us the files that have or had problems.
 
  
Lastly, I created a project page, available [[Special:MyLanguage/LinguaLibre:Events/Patrol_assistance_tool_prototyping_project|here]].
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Bonjour,
  
See you,}}
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En tant que président de la commission électorale pour [[:m:Wikimédia France/Gouvernance/Siège communautaire|l'élection du siège communautaire au conseil d'administration de Wikimédia France]], je vous annonce que le vote ouvre aujourd'hui (13 septembre) à 0h CEST. Il se terminera le 26 septembre à 23h59 CEST.
[[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]] ([[User talk:Lepticed7|talk]]) 09:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 
:Hello [[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]], Translated page —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 19:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 
::[[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]], [[User:Adélaïde Calais WMFr|Adélaïde]], could you specify the dates for this project ?
 
::Also, were your point 1 and two answered by the community somewhere ? (If not I could give it a try) [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 13:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== Rashidun Caliphate ==
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Comme il y a trois ans, le scrutin est public sur Meta. Les pages de votes sont disponibles dans [[:m:Category:Wikimédia France/Gouvernance/Siège communautaire/2022/Votes|la catégorie correspondante]] ou en lien sur la page principale. C'est un scrutin par approbation, le candidat qui aura le plus grand nombre de voix sera donc déclaré élu. Vous pouvez voter pour autant de candidats que vous le souhaitez.
  
Hello {{ping|Zinou2go}},
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Si vous avez des questions, vous pouvez les poser sur la page de discussion ou par courriel à election@wikimedia.fr.
[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LL-Q13955_(ara)-Zinou2go-الخلافة_الراشدة.wav LL-Q13955 (ara)-Zinou2go-الخلافة الراشدة.wav] is problematic (currently {{Q|Q204439}} on LiLi): it contains several cuts (clicks). I proposed the file for deletion in Commons. The recordings seem to be working better, could you record Rashidun Caliphate again? I didn't check the other records, but they are likely to have "clicks" as well. Also, can an admin delete this item on LiLi, please? Cordially. —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 15:31, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Eihel}} Please do not nominate files for deletion before asking for the speaker to record it again and waiting a while for their answer. Also, these recordings will come useful for the team currently working on the audio issues of Lingua Libre, so we'd better not delete them (I thought you read my messages on Discord about this). — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 15:48, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 
::{{Ping|WikiLucas00}}, J'ai enlevé la suppression sur Commons. —[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 15:54, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== Code of Conduct ==
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Pour la commission électorale, Mathis B, le 12 septembre 2022 à 22:00 (CEST)
Hi everyone, I just noticed again MediaWiki's [[:mw:Code of Conduct]] (2015) and Wikimedia Foundation's [[:foundation:Universal Code of Conduct]] (2021/02). Back in 2015, 0x010C included the first one as a condition to contribute to [https://github.com/lingua-libre/RecordWizard RecordWizard's codebase]. As far as I know, Lili.org and its community, so far, [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?search=Code+of+conduct has no Code of Conduct]. We may be ''implicitely'' binded by it or by some Wikimedia France's Code of Conduct, but it would be cleaner to ''explicitly'' adopt one and display it here, in written. We could therefor do the following :
 
# Short round to confirm with have nothing in place so far.
 
# Vote for 2 months to adopt the most recent [[:foundation:Universal Code of Conduct]] (2021/02)
 
# Copy the text into [[LinguaLibre:Universal Code of Conduct]].
 
[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 14:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
=== Pre-discussion ===
 
Do we already have a Code of Conduct binding LinguaLibre ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 14:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
=== Vote ===
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''Are you for or against adopting the [[:foundation:Universal Code of Conduct]] (2021) as a code of conduct for LinguaLibre's community ?''<br>
 
''Possible votes : {{tl|support}} • {{tl|weak support}}  • {{tl|weak oppose}} • {{tl|oppose}}''
 
* {{Support}} (proposer) — better to be explicit, have a framework in place, just to be clear to all on where we stand. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 14:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== Lingua Libre website should be more appealing to Language Learners ==
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(Message copied from the French Wikipedia Bistro by [[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]] ([[User talk:Lepticed7|talk]]))
:''See also [https://forvo.com Forvo.com].''
 
It would be useful if LinguaLibre follows the example of Forvo to increase the number of language learners interested in the Project.
 
  
Forvo.com has a way of displaying the information that engage users and makes it very easy to find pronunciations.
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Hello,
  
For example, if someone wants to learn how to pronounce "Honoré de Balzac" in French, it would be faster to find the audio on Forvo than on LinguaLibre. Also, Forvo displays the data in a way more appealing to language learners:
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as the chairman of the electoral commission for [[:m:Wikimédia France/Gouvernance/Siège communautaire|the election of the community representative to Wikimédia France’s board]], I announce that votes open today (13th september) at 0:00 CEST. They will be closed on 26th september at 23:59 CEST.
* https://forvo.com/search/Honoré_de_Balzac/
 
* https://lingualibre.org/index.php?search=Honoré+de+Balzac
 
'''Would it be possible to improve the way that data is displayed on LinguaLibre to make it more appealing to Language Learners ?'''
 
''In such way, the number of active users recording audios would increase significantly.'' -- [[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]]
 
:Some people previously reported such "issue". There is a [[phab:T252319|ticket]] on Phabricator to keep this in mind. However, the priority is currently given to develop patrol tools for Lingua Libre and we do not expect to see major improvements related to the audio brosing in the coming months (at least if we have no more external developers). I think it is like this because Lingua Libre has been though so that it helps for recording, not for listening; the second is let to the other Wikimedia projects, mainly Wiktionaries et Wikidata. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:00, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
::YES ! There are oral discussions and proposals in this direction, but LinguaLibre being a volunteers-based team, we are moving slowly. Forvo is a for-profit entity, it locks the copyright and resale of recordings made on its platform to the speaker-creator and to themselves, to then sell those recordings with a profit. They therefor have money and swift decision making to sustain their UI/UX efforts. We are shorter on those sides.
 
::'''On the [[LinguaLibre:Explore_the_sound_library|Sound Library]] side''', users can duplicate it and hack it as I did. Copy those codes into your own namespace :
 
::* [[User:Yug/common.js]] → [[Special:MyPage/common.js]]
 
::* [[User:Yug/MediaWiki:SoundLibrary.js]]‎ → [[Special:MyPage/MediaWiki:SoundLibrary.js]]
 
::* [[User:Yug/LinguaLibre:Explore_the_sound_library]]‎ → [[Special:MyPage/LinguaLibre:Explore_the_sound_library]]
 
::In those codes, you then have to replace all occurances of "Yug" by your username and it's should work. You can start hacking toward a more elegant interface. Note: the JS copy is in your *personal* JS and has a "stop" condition so the various JS instances won't fight. --[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 16:30, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== Allow recording only in the user's Native Language to avoid passing "mispronunciations" to Wiktionary ==
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Like it was the case three years ago, voting is on Meta. Voting pages are available in [[:m:Category:Wikimédia France/Gouvernance/Siège communautaire/2022/Votes|the corresponding category]] or as links in the main page. The elected candidate will be the one with the most approbation votes. You can vote for as many candidates as you wish.
  
I started a discussion on the German Wiktionary because some words on LinguaLibre are not available on the DeWikt. The German Community told me that LinguaLibre adds words into Commons, but the Bot only accepts audios from “few” trusted users using a filter.  
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If you have any questions, you can ask them on the Talk page on Meta, or by email at election@wikimedia.fr.
  
The English and German Wiktionaries use a bot called "DerbethBot" to add audios from Commons. However, the English Wiktionary community asked to block Lingua Libre's recordings because there were non-native speakers recording audios and the Bot had no way to differentiate them from Native speakers. After the audios were introduced in the English Wiktionary they had to forbid adding audios from LinguaLibre:
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For the electoral commission, Mathis B, 22:00, 12 septembre 2022 (CEST)
  
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2020/July#Labeling_non-native_audio
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== Is there a way to exclude username from Wikimedia Commons upload file name? ==
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:''See also [[Help:Renaming]].''
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This seems redundant and takes up a lot of space --[[User:Middle river exports|Middle river exports]] ([[User talk:Middle river exports|talk]]) 20:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Middle river exports}} Welcome MRE,
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:You could name your speaker with a single character I guess.
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:But keeping the name is voluntary. Each speaker has his/her own voice, which we want to document. If, outside of Wikimedia, you want to remove part of the filename, we have a technical tutorial to do so. See [[Help:Download datasets]] and [[Help:Renaming]]. Ping us back if your dataset is not up to date. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 13:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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::I have solved this now by just changing my username to something shorter. This way I can upload English as Usmaan (عثمان) for example where instead of just repeating the username it shows two scripts which is more useful. (Apparently few enough people have Arabic script usernames that short common words are mostly available.) --[[User:Middle river exports|عثمان]] ([[User talk:Middle river exports|talk]]) 20:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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:::All Unicode characters should be ok, in words and usernames ;) [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 19:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
  
I believe that it is necessary to avoid giving “mispronunciations” to Wictionaries. That is similar to vandalism on a Wiktionary if the reader doesn't know that it is hearing a bad pronunciation and believes that it is “native speaker”:
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== Username update request ==
  
''Some suggestions:''
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I realised my username on Mediawiki didn't carry over here when I changed it. On thus site could I please have it changed to: عُثمان
1) Would it be possible to name the audios files to specify if the speaker is a native or not? For example, if a French speaker records the word "maison"  it could be named '''"maison-fr-native.ogg"''' . If a language learner records the same word : '''"maison-fr-learner.ogg"'''
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--[[User:Middle river exports|عثمان]] ([[User talk:Middle river exports|talk]]) 08:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
  
2) A radical way to address the issue would be to only allow to record in one's native language. Of course, users could change it, but strong warnings could be added and always remind people to record only their native language. Forvo seems to take this approach.
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== Data on LinguaLibre:Stats isn't consistant with Wikipedia Commons's Category ==
  
It might be valuable for Linguists to have recordings of non-native speakers to study their accent features in an L-2 Language. However, in my humble opinion the pronunciations added to Wiktionary should be only native speakers and bots should have a way to differentiate them.
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On the Stats page, the French have 254,387 records
  
Link to the German Wiktionary discussion about LinguaLibre:
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https://lingualibre.org/wiki/LinguaLibre:Stats/Languages
https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Teestube#:~:text=von%20technischer%20seite%20gibt%20es%20keinem%20problem%2C%20zwei%20bots%20auf%20de.wiktionary%20arbeiten%20zu%20lassen.
 
:Hi, this depends on the Wikitionary policy, and it could be different from a language to another one. Anyway, it is already possible to select only recordings done by native speaker. To do that, the speaker has to fill the {{P|16}} property ith the value {{Q|15}} (see for example {{Q|466}}). Other values for {{P|16}} are given [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Q5|here]]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
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Meanwhile, the Category on commons.wikimedia.org has 253,464 records
  
== Sursilvan ==
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lingua_Libre_pronunciation-fra
:{{done}}
 
[[Special:Contributions/Franz.Roos.1955|User:Franz.Roos.1955]] made 2 recordings in [[:en:wp:Sursilvan]] : rauna ([[Q689785]]), ‎tschitta ([[Q689786]]). Sursilvan has no iso code. Do we have a procedure for such languages ? (I forgot if the case already shown up). [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 20:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 
:There is not issue. It simply uses the Wikidata identifier when there is no ISO code. Se for example {{Q|1186}}. To record in such languages, we have to create an item for this language/dialect on Lingua Libre, and this is already done for {{Q|74905}}. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 21:59, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 
::Thank Pamputt for the clarification. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 23:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== [[commons:commons:structured data]] ==
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The stats display more records. This data inconsistency is strange. -- [[User:Shenlebantongying]], 10:36, 23 december 2022.
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:This means some item page exist here, but no audio are on Commons.
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:Item creation here and upload are done at step 5 of the recording, nearly simultaneously.
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:So I don't know what is going on. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 17:41, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
  
I've been very pleased with LL's tooling, that does so much of the process of uploading to Commons, sensible naming, description-writing, and categorisation for me; however, I have an idea for an additional step LL could automate. This is in Commons' no-longer-so-new structured data section, which manifests (among other ways) as a tab on the file page.
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== [[c:Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-bxg]] ==
  
As an example of what could be automatically added to a file's datastore, there is a property called 'audio transcription' which serves a similar role to Commons' TimedText subtitle functionality (silly example: [[commons:TimedText:051226-kakapo-billbooming.ogg.en.srt]]) but for shorter clips -- in other words, seemingly designed with applications like LinguaLibre in mind.
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All files in this category are tagged with wrong language. I have requested moves for files in the category, but what's more to be done?--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 13:05, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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: Thanks for reporting. Actually all these items are erroneous (see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Q590228]]):
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:* {{Q|798236}} (wrong language code)
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:* {{Q|802994}} (wrong language code)
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:* {{Q|802995}} (useless)
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:* {{Q|802996}} (useless)
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:* {{Q|802998}} (useless)
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:* {{Q|802999}} (useless)
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:* {{Q|803000}} (useless)
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:* {{Q|803001}} (useless)
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:* {{Q|803002}} (useless)
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:I have not checked yet if corresponding recordings are still on Commons. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
  
Since these are of the so-called 'monolingual text' datatype, the source language can be specified (or where not part of the main set of languages Wikimedia uses, the special code 'mis' is used and 'language of work or name' used as a qualifier) at the same time as the actual text that is being spoken, which LL has access to since the audio file started out as a text prompt!
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== I can not publish my records recorded via Lingua Libre. ==
  
What think y'all? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 04:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
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Dear Colleagues,  
:Hi {{u|Arlo Barnes}} there is [[phab:T239272|Phabricator ticket]] about this topic. Currently there are not yet all properties on Wikidata to fit all Lingua Libre properties. For example, I [[d:Wikidata:Property proposal/language level|proposed to create]] a property for the language level of a speaker but it did not get enough support. SO I guess, we should first list all properties we would like to add on SDC. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 07:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
==  [Feature Request] Play next sound automatically while checking recordings ==
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It records, but when I press the button to publish it on Wikimedia Commons. It does not work. It returns as "Retry failed upload" Any idea? Thank you. [[User:Key Mîrza|Key Mîrza]] ([[User talk:Key Mîrza|talk]]) 05:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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:Is it happening for all your recordings or only some of them? [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 08:49, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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:: It was all good until a month ago. Nowadays I am on a vacation in another city and trying to enter to my accout and make some more records. I can enter into my account and I can create records, but I can not publish them. I stuck at publishing stage. Nothing publishing. None of my records publishing. I even tried to record via my cell phone, even there nothig publishing. By the way, I just saw your previous message wecoming me. Thank you, for your kind wish. Best wishes... [[User:Key Mîrza|Key Mîrza]] ([[User talk:Key Mîrza|talk]]) 09:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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:::Hmmm, I do not know what to say. Sometimes some recordings do not upload but they other do. When none recording uploads, I do not know what could be the origin. Could you try with another webbrowser (firefox or Chrome)? To go further, I think we would need a Javascript expert that could have some hints. {{ping|Poslovitch|Lepticed7}} maybe ? Another question, how many words do you try to record? If this is a lot, could you try with only a few (less than 10 for example). [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 15:42, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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:::: I tried 11 words together, then even 1 word only for testing purpose. Nothing worked. You said Java. Do I need java to be able to work with the application? If so, that I need to install Java. Because I formatted my PC. May be it is not installed. Thank you. [[User:Key Mîrza|Key Mîrza]] ([[User talk:Key Mîrza|talk]]) 17:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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:::::Java is different than Javascript. Javascript is language supported by the webbrowser so you do not need to install anything else than a webbrowser to record pronunciations on Lingua Libre. Unfortunately, I cannot dig further in this direction because I almost know nothing about Javascript. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 21:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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:::::: Thank you, anyway. [[User:Key Mîrza|Key Mîrza]] ([[User talk:Key Mîrza|talk]]) 22:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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:[[User:Key Mîrza|Key Mîrza]], thank you a lot for your voice, it make us discover new languages. Please be aware Lili works best on solid desktop computers. Also, you likely have a limit of 380 records uploads per 72 minutes. So you may need to leave your tab open, and click "retry" after that. You can expand those right by making a demand on Commons. See [[LinguaLibre:User rights]]. Contact us if you think it may be that. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
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::It's [https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Key+M%C3%AErza confirmed], as all new contributor you are limited to 380 uploads per 72h. You can get more userrights by requesting those rights on Commons. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
  
After recording sounds it is important to check them to verify their quality. However, it is very tiring to record 380 words and afterwards have to click 380 times on the ''“Next button”'' while checking them.
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== Late 2022-2023 Winter report ==
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Hello all, allow me to share few overall news from the various recent, ongoing, or near-future efforts.
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* 🤖 User:Pamputt has taken over Lingualibre Bot and added support for the Kurdish wiktionary. See github.
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* 🌏 Melody (WMFr intern) and myself made a mini-editathon on writing template emails for outreach. See Lingualibre:Events.
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* ⚡ User:Elfix and myself will attend are collaborating for sparql requests (me) optimization (Elfix). We aim to create and languages gallery this spring.
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* 🔴 Wikimedia France's freelance on the record wizard is back on track, delivery of fixes should occur around May-June.
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* 🙋‍♀️ Adelaide (WMFr) mentioned the wish of a second intern on Lingualibre outreach this summer, to reuse Melody's assets, expand actions and geographic diversity.
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* 🫱🏼‍🫲🏽 Wikimedia France yearly strategic meetup is this week, and is expected to strengthen its (linguistic) diversity and metrics axes, for which Lingualibre is one of their champions.
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* 🧓 Eve and myself (likely) will be present at Toulouse's ''Forom des Langues'', in May, where ~60+ languages associations are present.
  
'''After recording, would it be possible to add a button to "Play next sound automatically" ?''' [https://i.imgur.com/XwC34pj.png Screenshot Here]  [[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]] ([[User talk:Marreromarco|talk]]) 04:09, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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For specific deadlines and events coming soon, please also check [[Lingualibre:Events/Program]]. We always welcome contributors. When necessary, WMFr may refund transportation costs. Worth a try ! [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
:Agreed, it is already [[phab:T218372|tracked on Phabricator]]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 09:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
== "How to use Lingua Libre for your language learning" ==
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== Edit your nickname ==
  
I recently found a "new" way to benefit from the sounds on Lingua Libre. I would suggest that it could be advertised on the Lingua Libre main website and on the Wikipedia in French/English:
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Good evening, I would like to change my nickname because it did not update when I was renamed Manjiro91 then Manjiro5 instead of GamissimoYT on Wikimedia projects. Thanks in advance Regards '''[[User:GamissimoYT|<span style="color:#fc3">manȷıro</span>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:GamissimoYT|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:#000">💬</span>]]</small></sup>''' 22:53, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
* [[:en:wp:GoldenDict|GoldenDict]] is a FOSS Dictionary application very valuable for language learners.
 
  
A  way to benefit from Lingua Libre recordings is to download the datasets, unzip them and "load" the sounds on GoldenDict (as Sound Directories. [https://i.imgur.com/9avJDgS.png Screenshot here]). In such a way, users have easily an offline "Pronunciation Dictionary". It is very easy to do. Here is an [https://i.imgur.com/axRHruk.png screenshot] of how it looks to GoldenDict the French word "fuir". Another example [https://i.imgur.com/Rq0nQCt.png here].
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== Tool to prepare words for Lingua Libre ==
  
Lingua Libre sounds can be used with GoldenDict OFFLINE. That is a huge advantage in developing countries, where language learners often do not have reliable internet connection.
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Preparing words to be used in Lingua Libre has always been challenging. But I think this is a shared challenge. Crawling text from different sources and creating a clean list of words is very important. I've used [[User:Titodutta/Bengali_words_from_pages|Tito's]] instructions in the past, but using multiple tabs and multiple tools is not the best user experience. So, I thought I'd create something that is functional for me and simple enough to be tweaked. Introducing [[User:Psubhashish/tools/Prepare words for Lingua Libre|"Prepare words for Lingua Libre"]]. The tool is currently set for Odia but can be easily tweaked for other languages using non-Latin scripts. I'd request Lingua Libre core team to incorporate the tool into Lingua Libre so that users can use the platform to create a wordlist. Extracting words from any random text is always hard, especially new contributors. --[[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]] ([[User talk:Psubhashish|talk]]) 03:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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:Hi [[User:Psubhashish|Psubhashish]]. This is really nice. Do you think it would be easy to adapt it to create a [[Help:Create_a_new_generator|new generator]]? Generators can be used by anyone after they import them in their common.js. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 06:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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:: Thanks [[User:Pamputt]]. That would be fantastic, but I probably don't have the right knowhow for doing that. I did take ChatGPT's help to create a [[User:Psubhashish/common.js|.js version]] from the [[User:Psubhashish/tools/Prepare words for Lingua Libre|HTML code]] I had shared earlier but would appreciate any help. I think having a tool inside Lingua Libre would be great so really liked the idea of new generators. Common users would like things well packaged rather than jumping from one platform to another. --[[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]] ([[User talk:Psubhashish|talk]]) 13:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
  
''It would be valuable to create a description on the Lingua Libre website about'' '''"How to use Lingua Libre sounds for your language learning"''' .
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== Problème de publication des enregistrements  ==
  
There it would be possible to describe how to use the audios offline with GoldenDict, etc.  If  more methods are developed (Anki add-on), better GUI, Android App, etc. they could be explained there.--[[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]] ([[User talk:Marreromarco|talk]]) 04:41, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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Bonjour, il y a quelques années, j'ai renommé mon compte GamissimoYT en Manjiro91. Plus tard, je l'ai renommé Manjiro5. Le problème est que le renommage de mon compte global Wikimedia ne s'est pas fait sur Lingua Libre. Je ne peux donc pas publier les audios que j'enregistre sur LinguaLibre et n'apparaissent pas non plus sur Commons. Pourriez-vous m'aider ? '''[[User:GamissimoYT|<span style="color:#fc3">manȷıro</span>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:GamissimoYT|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:#000">💬</span>]]</small></sup>''' 08:41, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
:1) '''Reuse of datasets :''' Yes ! Dataset download and reuse must be showcasted and strengthened. I think a "Reuses gallery" page could be created, with screenshot and minimal how-to for GoldenDict, Anki and others.
 
:2) '''Anki:''' You are the 4th or 5th contributor to rise the need for an Anki add-on. We need to do something on this side, yes. It's more than 1~2 days work and too big for a volunteer work, so we need to apply for a grant. I'am looking in and mapping our options at the moment ({{tl|Grants table}}). At one point we have to jump in and design a project, yes.
 
:3) For '''e-learning app''', a 5k€ project was designed by myself a year ago. The funding by local regional government was declined, but it could easily be refreshed.
 
:We have to redesign some projects and apply in early 2022. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 09:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 
::The core question is the Human Resources.
 
::'''*Daily routines*''' keeps WikiLucas, Pamputt, Poslovitch and myself –aka the community-side contributors— busy maintaining the place, welcoming and guiding new users, cleaning pages, etc. We are now quite smooth, successful and stable on this side.
 
::To '''*push forward*''' on developments, UI, tools, e-learning, communication, grants, we each have one or two side projects in mind, pushing those <u>''slowly''</u>. But as always in FOSS projects the task ahead is much larger and we could achieve much more with more human resources.
 
::'''Overall''', it's possible we are at a new turning right now. As things are stable, with road maps available, '''we just need 1 to 3 new coordinators and communicants contributors to tip the dynamic into forward-offensive mode''', with communication therefor new arrivals, new speakers, new devs, new coordinators and really push forward with new events/workshop, funds and SMART features.
 
::@[[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]], I'am currently writing down structuring "community how to" to ease new contributor's jumping in (see [[LinguaLibre:Roles]], [[LinguaLibre:Workshops]], {{tl|Grants table}}). You are doing a nice push on communication (It's FOSS) and with your questions you are mapping out Lili's needs. Pamputt and WikiLucas are following our progresses. All this is pretty interesting. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:48, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
:'''I would like to work on the "Public Relations" Department of LinguaLibre!''' I promise to contribute during the next 12 months on the "Public Relations". It is typical of FOSS Projects to neglect “advertisements”. I will promote the Project as much as possible in different languages. I can read/understand Spanish, English, Japanese, French and Portuguese (at different levels). I will contact Bloggers and social media influencers (YouTubers) to ask them to talk about Lingua Libre. As an example, this week I made contact with a Brazilian YouTuber that has 500,000 subscribers in his Channel about "Linux". He replied very positively and said that soon it might appear a video in his YouTube Channel. If that person publishes a video, half a million Portuguese speakers could be introduced to Lingua Libre ! That kind of "Public Relations" should be done in many languages! [[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]] ([[User talk:Marreromarco|talk]]) 23:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Renommer un dialecte en langue ==
::Sound good :) Your outreach to YouTubers and popular FOSS blogs is spot on.
 
::I am back from a wikibreak, I am cleaning up some last pages, then since the maintenance side is stable I would like to focus my energy on projects design –recording rare languages, technology, PR campaign– and associated grant requests to secure funding and the actual realization of those visions. We can collaborate. You lead on the PR : design your campaign. I can review and help it to fit some Grants formats. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 18:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 
  
I created a new wiki page in the "events" section of a "PR Campaign for 2022". Please visit [[LinguaLibre:Events/Winter 2021-2022 Public Relations Campaign]] and participate in the discussion with new ideas. [[User:Marreromarco|Marreromarco]] ([[User talk:Marreromarco|talk]]) 21:20, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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Bonjour,
  
== Creating a LL catgory for a dialect ==
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J'avais fait la demande pour l'ajout de "Teochew dialect" il y a quelques années lors de mes premiers essais. Cependant, il paraît plus pertinent de juste laisser "teochew" tout court sans le mot dialecte. Serait-il possible de faire ce changement.
  
Would be grateful if someone could tell me if it's possible to create a LL category for a dialect?
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[[User:Assassas77|Assassas77]] ([[User talk:Assassas77|talk]]) 19:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
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:{{Done}} Solved [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?title=Q4465&type=revision&diff=912499&oldid=477865 here] by [[User:Assassas77]] ! It's a wiki :) [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]])
  
We're working in Konkani, which has its own (but small) Wikipedia at http://gom.wikipedia.org Under Konkani, there are some dialects spoken, the pronunciation of one can be different from the other.
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== MediaWiki:Lang/* ==
  
Would like to create a category for Saxtti (the Salcete dialect of Konkani). This will ensure that readings don't get overwritten by other dialects. Also, it would allow the recordings of many others which might have already been done in Konkani as a how.
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What are the MediaWiki:Lang/* messages for? For example, [[MediaWiki:Lang/awa]]? It looks like they mostly just repeat the language code in the content. --[[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 07:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
  
Question: How do we create space for the dialects of a language?
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== Where are the Greek recordings? ==
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According to the statistics page there are 130 recordings of the Greek language (Q205, ISO: gre). However there is no category [[commons:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-gre]] defined or any recordings added to this category. There is a category [[commons:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-ell]], but it is empty. What happened to the 130 Greek recordings? [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 20:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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:Hi {{u|Olaf}}, for unclear reason (probably historical reason), it seems that all Greek recordings are categorized in [[c:Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-other (Q9129)|Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-other]]. We have to move all these recordings in the [[c:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-gre|good catagory]] (I do not know if Commons has a some automatic tool for such job). And also redirect [[commons:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-ell]] to [[c:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-gre]]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 07:24, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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::Hi {{u|Pamputt}}. This happened because in [[wikidata:Q9129#P220]] both ISO 639-3 codes are deprecated, and [https://doc.wikimedia.org/Wikibase/master/php/docs_topics_lua.html#mw_wikibase_entity_getBestStatements entity:getBestStatements] function, used in [[commons:Module:Lingua Libre record#L-46]], doesn't accept deprecated entries, so the module can't get the language code and falls back to "other" category. We could change the Wikidata entry and the files would be moved automatically. However code "gre" must stay deprecated, because it is unclear if it refers to ancient or modern Greek. It would be better to promote "ell" to normal entry. Then changes in [[Q205]] would be also needed. It looks like bulk moving Lingua Libre recordings around doesn't require admin rights, so I can fix this issue if you agree to change the Greek language code to "ell" instead of "gre". [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 08:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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:::Hi {{u|Olaf}} thank you for your investigation. So, I have modified {{Q|205}} to fix the issue on the Lingua Libre side. For Wikimedia Commons, you can go ahead. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 08:11, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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::::Thanks, {{u|Pamputt}}. It's not as easy, as I thought. Setting Greek ISO 639-3 code to normal from obsolete creates constraint validation with Modern Greek with the same code. In fact, LinguaLibre shouldn't record Greek words as Greek ([[Wikidata:Q9129|Q9129]]) but rather as Modern Greek ([[Wikidata:Q36510|Q36510]]). In fact Modern Greek is also defined in LinguaLibre: [[Q279]]. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 13:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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:::::If I understand correctly, the easiest way to manage this case would be to delete {{Q|205}}, so that no one can record in "this language" and thus select only {{Q|279}}. If so, I would require to replace all Lingua Libre statements that use {{Q|205}} by {{Q|279}}. There is currently [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Q205&namespace=0&limit=500 137 items] that use {{Q|205}}, so I think it is manageable by hand. {{u|Olaf}}, what do you think about this "workaround"? [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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::::::This would be perfect, it also requires renaming the 137 recordings in Commons, but it can be done. What about the [https://lingualibre.org/datasets/ datasets] to be downloaded from LinguaLibre, will they change automatically? [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 21:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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:[[User:Olaf|Olaf]], [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]], I had nearly similar case with Chinese ISOs zho vs cmn. I have about 186 zho items (see [[Help:SPARQL_for_maintenance#.E2.9C.85_Recordings_.E2.86.92_With_ISO-639-3_.60zho.60_to_change_to_.60cmn.60|Help:SPARQL for maintenance]])]] which have the wrong iso. My plan is :
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:* to delete those audios, very simply, on both Lingualibre and Commons. The alternative would be to edit them all on both sites.
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:* to [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?title=Q130&type=revision&diff=691521&oldid=444378 discourage recording] or delete that Lili Qid.
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:so I may work on those audio, some day... [[User:Hugo en résidence|Hugo en résidence]] ([[User talk:Hugo en résidence|talk]]) 17:36, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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::I don't like deleting good recordings as a way of dealing with wrong categorization. Moreover some of them are probably in use, because Olafbot might have added them to Polish Wiktionary. If there is no other option, just leave them where they are in Commons, and remove Greek from Lingua Libre alone in favor of Modern Greek. But I think Pamputt's solution is better. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 21:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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:::[[USer:Olaf]], I don't like either. But 186 recording is about 8 minutes work, and it have been confusing us for 3 years. Do point to that. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 19:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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::::Deleting 186 recordings is about the same amount of time as modifying the language statement. This is manageable by hand and I would prefer not to delete them. I do not have time for now but I will try to do it before the end of the month. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 11:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
  
Thanks very much, in advance! --[[User:Fredericknoronha|Fredericknoronha]] ([[User talk:Fredericknoronha|talk]]) 13:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Any Recording limitation in Lingua Libre ==
:Hello {{ping|Fredericknoronha}} and welcome to Lingua Libre. I imported {{Q|700683}} (gom) as it was not on Lingua Libre yet. On Lingua Libre, dialects are treated the same way as languages. You can create an element for your dialect on Wikidata (example for [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35359 auvergnat dialect]) and tell us once it is ready, so that we can import it on Lingua Libre with an admin tool. You can also directly create an element for your dialect on Lingua Libre, following the steps described at [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:|Help:Add_a_new_language]] and taking example of {{Q|1186}}. Don't hesitate to ping an admin if you have any questions.
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:All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 15:35, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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Hello,I want to know any recording limitation in Lingua Libre. Because I'm planning a screen-cast in Tamil language. If anyone know please reply. Thank you [[User:Sriveenkat|Sriveenkat (🎤) ]] ([[User talk:Sriveenkat|talk]]) 11:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:''« there are some dialects spoken, the pronunciation of one can be different from the other. »''
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:I you are not an [[c:Commons:Patrol#Autopatrol|autopatrolled user]] on Wikimedia Commons, then you cannot upload more than 380 audios per 72 minutes. If you want to record more words within this timeslot, then you should request for [[c:Commons:Requests_for_rights#Autopatrol|this right]]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 14:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:If the writing are similar but only the pronunciation differs depending on where the speaker comes from, it looks like different accents.
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::Hi, {{ping|Pamputt}}, I don't record 380 audios within 72 minutes. I'm planning to create screen-cast tutorial video in Tamil language. So I ask this question. Thank you for your reply [[User:Sriveenkat|Sriveenkat (🎤) ]] ([[User talk:Sriveenkat|talk]]) 14:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
:Recordings are specific to a word, a language and a speaker. Which means me recording in French the word "bonjour" will be one audio file on Lili. WikiLucas can record in French the same word "bonjour", it will create an other audio file on Lili. My recording(s), since i come from the South West, will carry the southern accent. Recordings by WikiLucas, who lives 700km East of me, will cary the Lyon area accent. Lingualibre will store 2 recordings, one per user. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 21:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Exclusion list for generators? ==
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Hello, if there isn't a feature like this somewhere already, I propose a per-user blacklist of sorts, which would allow users to select words which would be excluded when you choose one of the generator options to generate words. I'm currently going through a list of words in a Wiktionary category, and I'm confronted with a growing list of words that I can't deal with because they aren't suitable for pronunciation (e.g. particles that surround other arbitrary words), or they're just homophones of something I've already recorded, etc. What would be necessary, techniaclly, in order to make this happen? [[User:Kiril kovachev|Kiril kovachev]] ([[User talk:Kiril kovachev|talk]]) 12:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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:Hi {{u|Kiril kovachev}}, I have opened a [[phab:T344221|Phabricator ticket]] for this request. If you know Javascript, you may have a look to the [https://github.com/lingua-libre/RecordWizard code] to propose a patch. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 05:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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== Barnstar Award Template ==
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There is any Barnstar Award Template for Lingua Libre? [[User:Sriveenkat|Sriveenkat (🎤) ]] ([[User talk:Sriveenkat|talk]]) 07:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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:There are [[Template:50k barnstar]] and [[Template:Speaker of the month]] and maybe other. [[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas00]] may know other barnstars. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 21:11, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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::{{ping|Pamputt|WikiLucas00}} Ok Pamputt, I want give barnstar award for Some Beginner Speakers. It will be a motivating for them. Am I right?[[User:Sriveenkat|Sriveenkat (🎤) ]] ([[User talk:Sriveenkat|talk]]) 11:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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:::Hello {{ping|Pamputt|Sriveenkat}}! Indeed, it would be a nice idea to offer awards for beginners, such as a barnstar for passing 1000 recordings for example. All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 16:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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==1,000,000th ==
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* N  ! 08:38 కంటగిల్లు (Q1094614)‎ diffhist +3,648‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
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* N  ! 08:38 కంటగించు (Q1094613)‎ diffhist +3,636‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
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* '''N  ! 08:38 కంటకితము (Q1094612)‎ diffhist +3,636‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item'''
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* N  ! 08:38 కంటకుడు (Q1094611)‎ diffhist +3,624‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
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* N  ! 08:38 కంటక (Q1094610)‎ diffhist +3,588‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
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* N  ! 08:38 కంటబడు (Q1094609)‎ diffhist +3,612‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]])
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== Why Lingua Libre Bot isn't running Wikidata? ==
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{{ping|Poslovitch|Pamputt|WikiLucas00}}Why Lingua Libre Bot isn't running in Wikidata? {{u|Darafsh}} asked about in Wikidata Lexicographical data Telegram Group. What's the problem? Please kindly tell the issue. Thanks-[[User:Sriveenkat|Sriveenkat]] () ([[User talk:Sriveenkat|talk]])  16:12, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Sriveenkat}} could you point to an Lingua Libre item and a Wikidata item or lexeme that has not received the pronunciation? This will help to test and find what is wrong. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 19:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
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::Hi {{ping|Pamputt}} Recorded Audios doesn't received in the Wikidata Items and Wikidata Lexemes!. The User {{u|Darafsh}} have recorded some many words for Wikidata Lexeme Project. but never audios added to the Wikidata Lexemes. You can see the [[wikidata:Special:Contributions/Lingua Libre Bot]] The last contribution on 23:49, 9 September 2023. So, Iam just asking run the Lingua Libre Bot on Wikidata. I'm also recorded some words for Wikidata Lexeme Project I waited for some days, But never my audios added to wikidata lexemes. So, I run QuickStatements for Adding My audios.. Now User Darafsh also run QuickStatements for adding he's audios.. I think so many users using Lingua Libre for Automatically adding audios on Wikidata and some wikitionaries. I hope you understand Thankyou Regards [[User:Sriveenkat|Sriveenkat]] () ([[User talk:Sriveenkat|talk]])  05:38, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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:Thanks to {{ping|Sriveenkat}} to start the discussion. If you need some examples, you may see Mazanin's contributions on [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mazanin Commons]. This is the recorded audio: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LL-Q9168_(fas)-Mazanin_(%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%86%DB%8C%D9%86)-%D9%87%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B4%DB%8C.wav] and this is the lexeme entry on Wikidata: [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L1010467] but they are not connected yet. [[User:Darafsh|Darafsh]] ([[User talk:Darafsh|talk]]) 12:07, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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== SiteNotice ==
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Hi,<br />Translations are not working for Sitenotice. Install CentralNotice? ―[[User:Eihel|Eihel]] ([[User talk:Eihel|talk]]) 14:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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== Global bot status ==
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Lingualibre Bot has been [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Bot_status&diff=prev&oldid=25702991 approved]. cc {{ping|Pamputt|Poslovitch|WikiLucas00}}. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 12:31, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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:Thank you for the request and congrats on the approval! — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 12:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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== ExternalTools - Wikidata Query Service - Recording Indian Actor and Actress Names in Tamil ==
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{{ping|Yug|Pamputt|WikiLucas00}} I am now interested in Recording Indian Actor and Actress Names in Tamil. So I make a [https://w.wiki/8G6T query], I Input that query url in ExternalTools. A error comes "Result must contain both "id" and "label" field." I think something need to modify on this query. Please anyone help for this. Thanks [[User:Sriveenkat|Sriveenkat]] ([[User talk:Sriveenkat|talk]])  19:58, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Sriveenkat}}, [https://w.wiki/8Gev this] works. Please note there is 6982 items if we remove the LIMIT, and I don't how the systems works with such larger list. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 23:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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::{{ping|Yug}} Thanks for your reply. The query doesn't works for me :( Error in ExternalTools "undefine" [[User:Sriveenkat|Sriveenkat]] ([[User talk:Sriveenkat|talk]])  06:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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:::{{ping|Sriveenkat}}, in Wikifata QS you have to run the query to check if it is working and providing data, if so go to the URL bar, copy that long url. Come back to Lingualibre Step 3, external tool, paste that long url. It worked for me. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 06:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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::::{{ping|Sriveenkat}} Sorry, I missed something. On the Query Service bottom right, click "Link" > then on "SPARQL endpoint" : copy this url. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 08:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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:::::{{ping|Yug}} Works with copying SPARQL endpoint link. Thank you much. I'm planning to record more proverbs, usage examples, places, persons, Lingualibre is really more comfortable to record it. Thanks Again [[User:Sriveenkat|Sriveenkat]] ([[User talk:Sriveenkat|talk]])  22:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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== Logo redesign propositions ==
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I had a bit of fun yesterday contributing to one of my favourite projects in a slightly different way. I've kept the ideas (microphone, wings) and colours of the current logo but made it a bit more polished. I've already taken a few opinions on Discord but I wanted to get a more general opinion. What do you think?
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Just so you know, I won't be at all offended if the community prefers to keep the current logo, because there are some very good reasons for keeping it (I'm thinking in particular of all the printed materials, the fact that it's simple (easy to draw by hand if we don't have a printer and maybe more "readable" if very small), its declination for sign languages, etc.).
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<gallery style="text-align:center;"  heights="200px"  widths="200px">
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File:Proposition refonte logo Lingua Libre (1).svg|Proposition 1
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File:Proposition refonte logo Lingua Libre (2).svg|Proposition 2
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</gallery>
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[[User:DSwissK|DSwissK]] ([[User talk:DSwissK|talk]]) 08:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
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:{{Ping|DSwissK}} hello,
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:We can add your proposition in the set of logos ideas within a Wikimedia Commons [[:commons:Category:Proposed Lingua Libre logo|Category:Proposed Lingua Libre logo]], for reference later on. But to be honest, good logo design requires design experience, artistic intuition, brand and public awareness, which are harder to gather than it seems. It also must fit a project's phase and branding strategy, when the project needs a new logo and project members willing to shift from the current high visibility logo to a new one. All together changing a logo is not something easy to push for. I made a similar answer [https://github.com/lingua-libre/SignIt/pull/41 here] few month ago about Lingua Libre SignIt. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 12:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
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:: {{Ping|Yug}} hi,
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:: Thank you for your input. I appreciate you explaining the complexities - you raise great context I had not fully considered. [[User:DSwissK|DSwissK]] ([[User talk:DSwissK|talk]]) 09:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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== Hebrew diacritics (Niqqud) ==
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In Hebrew we use diacritics (Niqqud) to determine how to pronounce the words.
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Niqqud is usually common in the following cases:
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# Young kids or people learning the language.
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# Formal use.
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# To distinguish between meanings when the base form is ambiguous.
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This is a short example:
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* Base form: גזר (GZR)
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* Carrot: גֶּזֶר (Gezer)
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* Masculine cut: גָּזַר (Gazar)
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* Piece: גֶּזֶר (Gezer)
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This is the corresponding Wiktionary article: https://he.wiktionary.org/wiki/גזר
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When fetching words from Wiktionary it's better to use the first headers instead of the item names because in many cases the term is ambiguous and the items name is the base form without any pronunciation guidance.
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As for Wikipedia etc. sometimes there's a word with the Niqqud inside the article but it will be a bit complicated to parse so we can skip that for now.
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== Lights on userrights ==
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Hello all,<br>
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I bumped again into [[LinguaLibre:User_rights]] and {{tl|Autopatrolled}}. To the extend of my knowledge we have no solution to this and no active user is munitoring this bottleneck. Is this assessment correct ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 21:03, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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== A mobile app ==
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I personally think that contributing using a browser is quite dangerous, Firefox on mobile, for example, has a very strict page unloading policy which leads to closing the tab while uploading thus losing the remaining data which wasn't uploaded yet (I found a workaround but it's not perfect), are there any thought about this? (Maybe even expanding the current [https://www.saveriomorelli.com/commonvoice/ CV Project] app by Saverio Morelli?)
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== Is the Record Wizard not working for anyone else? ==
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My mic works with [https://mictests.com/ mictests.com], but [https://lingualibre.org/wiki/Special:RecordWizard the RecordWizard] doesn't pick anything up at the "check your microphone" stage. I've tried on both my phone and my laptop, and I can record sound in both cases, and I have the appropriate permissions enabled, but this particular website isn't detecting sounds. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 23:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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:Hello [[User:Grendelkhan]],
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:I just received a second such report. User also checked [https://mictests.com/ mictests.com] sucessfully.
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:On Firefox, Lingua Libre recording studio step 4, the microphone is allowed (we see the red microphone image on the left of the URL address). But after clicking the record button, no recording occurs.
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:* Mictests on other site : successful.
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:*User: [[User:Akamycoco]].
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:*Dates : Worked on February 28. Stopped working on February 29.
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:Let's starts an investigation. Could you let me know your OS and precise web browser version ? (Help > About Chrome or similar)
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:Let me know as well if you have basic developer skills to Right-click on the staled page > Inspect > Console : are there any error message ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 07:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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::My laptop is using Google Chrome <tt>122.0.6261.94 (Official Build) (64-bit)</tt> on Linux (Debian Testing). No error messages in the console when I attempt the recording. My phone is using Chrome <tt>122.0.6261.90</tt> on Android 14 on a Pixel 5a. It ''does'' seem to work on Firefox <tt>115.7.0esr (64-bit)</tt> on my laptop. (I really should have checked that before.) So maybe this is solely a Chrome problem? [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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== Automatic categorization isn't documented. ==
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So far as I can tell, this isn't documented: if, for user Foo, category <tt>Lingua Libre pronunciation by Foo</tt> exists on Commons, then all uploads will be categorized into that category. This is helpful! It's also easy to backfill after the fact using [[:commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot]]. I'm not sure where to document this, but it seems reasonable to do so ''somewhere''. [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 16:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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Results of Coverage Test of French Lemma and Non-Lemma forms is English Wiktionary

While playing around with generating lists for pronunciation from Wiktionary, I decided to run a few tests on the current coverage of French lemma and non-lemma forms in English Wiktionary. I choose French because it is the largest datasets in LL.

Current Coverage of French in Lingua Libre

  • Total French Entries in Lingua Libre by a native speaker: 233 982
  • Unique French Entries in Lingua Libre by a native speaker: 154 358
  • Percentage of overlap: 34%
  • Term with the greatest number of pronunciations: "blanc" with 40

Current Coverage of Category:French lemmas

  • Total entries in Category:French lemmas: 84 482
  • Pronounced entries: 50 917
  • Entries with pronunciation: 33 565
  • Coverage Percentage: 60.27%

Current Coverage of Category:French non-lemma forms

  • Total entries in Category:French non-lemma forms: 29 1225
  • pronounced entries: 26 791
  • Entries with pronunciation: 264 434
  • Coverage Percentage: : 9.20%

For me, there are several lessons to be drawn.

  1. First, there has been amazing growth on LL. Covering 60.27% percent is a real achievement.
  2. The overlap percentage is quite small overall.
  3. There needs to be a clearer sense of when LL should stop requesting pronunciations for a certain term because 40 pronunciations of "blanc" seems a bit excessive.
  4. A need exists to continue pro-actively targeting entries in Wiktionary that are not in Lingua Libre. Currently, 297 999 French lemma and non-lemma forms require pronunciations.
  5. Generating lists from Wiktionary and checking coverage is not as hard as I thought.
  6. Lingua Libre has almost caught up with Forvo in the number of French pronunciations (233 982 vs 254, 703). Overall, Lingua Libre has shown amazing and healthy progress in a very short period of time. I'm excited about these results. Languageseeker (talk) 03:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
@Languageseeker This investigation is pretty cool. (I'm not sure i understand all your numbers yet, but i will read again when back on my PC). Its quite nice to see we are reaching Forvo level for our lead language. It's possible we have more unique words than forvo since we have user:Olafbot actively guiding and pushing us on that path.
On Lili we have chosen to be a learning AND linguistic diversity audio database. When you account for gender, regional accents, age, voice type, having 40 french audios for a word is still 400+ voices short.
Also, all contributors are not able to contribute audio perfect files due to various shortcomings (hardware, no recording room, no noose cancelling system, etc). We lack proper rating and review system. It's on our [slow] roadmap tho. 😉
PS: Should i answer to you in French i get a feeling you are French or learning it. Yug (talk) 15:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
@YUG Salut, Yug. Oui, je suis en train d'apprendre le français. Comme nous avons discutez pendant notre reunion, c'est difficile de definer les limits d'une language. Comme je le vois, les formes lemma ne suffit pas. Maintenant, je suis en train de crée un Olafbot sur steroid pour francais. Mon plan est de réaliser un program python qui peux analyser les modèle utilizer sur Wiktionary. Languageseeker (talk) 15:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Languageseeker . I'm sorry I did not visit the Chat Room in a long time, and missed your report. Very interesting, good job! I remember a request I made to Olaf some time ago: it would be interesting to have a list similar to the one Olafbot is updating, but containing only lemmas of the target language (to quickly have nearly all lemmas of a dictionary illustrated with an audio pron). Also, I suggest you to use the categories of the French version of Wiktionary when you plan to work on French (and some other languages, that are more extensively described there). As you can see here, the category gathering French lemmas is more than 3 times more complete on the fr. version than on the en. version of Wiktionary. As you mentioned, these numbers are exciting, let's keep up the good work! All the best — WikiLucas (🖋️) 15:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
@WikiLucas00 Sorry, I totally forgot about your request. The list is now ready for French: List:Fra/Filtered-lemmas-without-audio-sorted-by-number-of-wiktionaries. It's produced like the other lists, but it's limited to words from Catégorie:Lemmes_en_français. The list will be refreshed together with the rest. Olaf (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello @Olaf ! Thank you so much for this list, it's going to be very useful for sure! Let's cover 100% of Lemmas 😎 I'll tell the French contributors on Discord about it 😉 All the best — WikiLucas (🖋️) 22:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

How to create user page

Hello, my user name is Ngangaesther from Kenya. I am still stuck on how am supposed to create my user page kindly help regards Esther

Odia language missing from Stats/Languages

Hi there, for some reason, the Odia-language stats are missing from the Stats/Languages page. Also, "The most prolific speakers for the current month " section in the Stats/Speakers page is not loading at all since the time I checked last (about 10 days). I have tried on Chromium and Firefox and the result is the same even after clearing cache. --Subhashish (talk) 19:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello Subhashish, it should be back online. We had a hackathon to put it back. We are calling for devs to push forwards. Yug (talk) 11:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for the update, Yug. --Subhashish (talk) 14:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Manually-coded languages

I came across meta:Lingua Libre/SignIt recently (via betawiki) and was wondering if manually-coded languages would be appropriate for this as well? These are languages in sign modality, but strongly tied to a spoken/written language; they usually adopt the grammar of the nonmanual language, choosing instead to simply transpose the vocabulary. This means they are most often used in application-specific and pidgin contexts (Pidgin Sign for English and diver's signs are examples). In particular, I am interested in toki pona luka, a manual form of toki pona (Q338540). Since the vocab is the same as spoken/written toki pona, there are a minimal number of lexemes overall, so having a complete set of signs is easily achievable. Manually-coded languages including toki pona luka are generally not given a separate ISO 639 code since they are in effect equivalent to scripts. Would this cause a problem for the infrastructure as currently designed? Arlo Barnes (talk) 05:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


Hello Arlo Barnes,

I understand "manually coded languages" as synonymous to "signed languages", am I correct?
If there is no distinct ISO for the signed language, we could still:

  • Create a new wikidata item without ISO, which will be used as identifier by LinguaLibre infrastructure
  • Use the spoken/write language ISO, and create lists of words all suffixed by (signed).

Either of those solutions could work.

If you have some knowledge of signed toki pona luka please let me know. We are adding features on Lingualibre and SignIt in order to be able to record video of signed words by late 2022. We are almost there. If you would like to record some basic signed words to share with the world, then let me know. Yug (talk) 20:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Signed languages and manually-coded languages share similarities (the manual modality) and differences (since sign languages are 'native' to the signed modality, they use it more fully, having complete deixis and time-reference systems, use of handshape classifiers, etc.) -- 'luka' means 'hand'/'five', so that's the part of the name that indicates the manual modality, but otherwise it's just garden-variety toki pona. I am interested in using SignIt to record this vocab, yes. The '(signed)' suffix seems like a good way to do it. Arlo Barnes (talk) 13:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Arlo Barnes: We increasingly have tools to update and correct sign language recordings, so the suffix (signed) or the solution we choose appears incorrect, we still can correct it later using that bot.
I would encourage you to first train yourself and learn that manually-coded language over the coming months. Indeed, we still have a very last bug within our video recording chain, which makes rightful videos appears as audio on Commons. We expect to solve this last issue this fall (September or October ?). So for now, I encourage you to rest well, reload energy, to get ready to record later this year. Maybe identify near you some suitable place with elegant monochrome wall to film over or consider building yourself a low-cost recording studio,. Etc. We can discuss it to keep it low cost and effective if you are interested, as I'm also looking for such walls and/or considering building one for myself.
See also : Minimal Sign Language Studio guideline. Yug (talk) 22:30, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Update my username

I have changed my Wikimedia username but the previous name still appears in Lingua Libre. I know it's not included in unified logins. Anyway, please update my username to Aishik Rehman. Hirok Raja (talk) 15:14, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Hirok Raja¸would you have an example of what you would like to see to be changed? I think you are talking about the filename but I am not sure, so with one example, it would be clearer. Pamputt (talk)
@Pamputt
1. Top menubar of lingualibre.org showing 'Hirok Raja' as my profile name.
2. After uploading when I try to check my uploads in Commons, it takes me to https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Hirok_Raja page.
3. 'Hirok Raja' being used as Default recorder in the file names and description
4. Change speaker name to 'Aishik Rehman' every time while recording is quite annoying to me.
5. Even here 'Hirok Raja' is showing as my signature by default ): Hirok Raja (talk) 19:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
I suspect this is due to long term cookies. Would be interesting to push a clean up for your connection cookies for Lingualibre, it will log you out, then come back here. On firefox.
Open about:preferences#privacy > Go to "Cookies and Site Data"> Click "Manage Data" > Search "Lingualibre" > Remove selected. Yug (talk) 21:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Siège communautaire de Wikimédia France – ouverture du vote / Community representative to Wikimédia France’s board - votes are opened

(English version below. Do not hesitate to correct my English translation.)

(Message copié depuis le bistro du jour par Lepticed7 (talk))

Bonjour,

En tant que président de la commission électorale pour l'élection du siège communautaire au conseil d'administration de Wikimédia France, je vous annonce que le vote ouvre aujourd'hui (13 septembre) à 0h CEST. Il se terminera le 26 septembre à 23h59 CEST.

Comme il y a trois ans, le scrutin est public sur Meta. Les pages de votes sont disponibles dans la catégorie correspondante ou en lien sur la page principale. C'est un scrutin par approbation, le candidat qui aura le plus grand nombre de voix sera donc déclaré élu. Vous pouvez voter pour autant de candidats que vous le souhaitez.

Si vous avez des questions, vous pouvez les poser sur la page de discussion ou par courriel à election@wikimedia.fr.

Pour la commission électorale, Mathis B, le 12 septembre 2022 à 22:00 (CEST)


(Message copied from the French Wikipedia Bistro by Lepticed7 (talk))

Hello,

as the chairman of the electoral commission for the election of the community representative to Wikimédia France’s board, I announce that votes open today (13th september) at 0:00 CEST. They will be closed on 26th september at 23:59 CEST.

Like it was the case three years ago, voting is on Meta. Voting pages are available in the corresponding category or as links in the main page. The elected candidate will be the one with the most approbation votes. You can vote for as many candidates as you wish.

If you have any questions, you can ask them on the Talk page on Meta, or by email at election@wikimedia.fr.

For the electoral commission, Mathis B, 22:00, 12 septembre 2022 (CEST)

Is there a way to exclude username from Wikimedia Commons upload file name?

See also Help:Renaming.

This seems redundant and takes up a lot of space --Middle river exports (talk) 20:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Middle river exports Welcome MRE,
You could name your speaker with a single character I guess.
But keeping the name is voluntary. Each speaker has his/her own voice, which we want to document. If, outside of Wikimedia, you want to remove part of the filename, we have a technical tutorial to do so. See Help:Download datasets and Help:Renaming. Ping us back if your dataset is not up to date. Yug (talk) 13:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
I have solved this now by just changing my username to something shorter. This way I can upload English as Usmaan (عثمان) for example where instead of just repeating the username it shows two scripts which is more useful. (Apparently few enough people have Arabic script usernames that short common words are mostly available.) --عثمان (talk) 20:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
All Unicode characters should be ok, in words and usernames ;) Yug (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Username update request

I realised my username on Mediawiki didn't carry over here when I changed it. On thus site could I please have it changed to: عُثمان --عثمان (talk) 08:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Data on LinguaLibre:Stats isn't consistant with Wikipedia Commons's Category

On the Stats page, the French have 254,387 records

https://lingualibre.org/wiki/LinguaLibre:Stats/Languages

Meanwhile, the Category on commons.wikimedia.org has 253,464 records

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lingua_Libre_pronunciation-fra

The stats display more records. This data inconsistency is strange. -- User:Shenlebantongying, 10:36, 23 december 2022.

This means some item page exist here, but no audio are on Commons.
Item creation here and upload are done at step 5 of the recording, nearly simultaneously.
So I don't know what is going on. Yug (talk) 17:41, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

c:Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-bxg

All files in this category are tagged with wrong language. I have requested moves for files in the category, but what's more to be done?--GZWDer (talk) 13:05, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting. Actually all these items are erroneous (see Special:WhatLinksHere/Q590228):
I have not checked yet if corresponding recordings are still on Commons. Pamputt (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I can not publish my records recorded via Lingua Libre.

Dear Colleagues,

It records, but when I press the button to publish it on Wikimedia Commons. It does not work. It returns as "Retry failed upload" Any idea? Thank you. Key Mîrza (talk) 05:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Is it happening for all your recordings or only some of them? Pamputt (talk) 08:49, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
It was all good until a month ago. Nowadays I am on a vacation in another city and trying to enter to my accout and make some more records. I can enter into my account and I can create records, but I can not publish them. I stuck at publishing stage. Nothing publishing. None of my records publishing. I even tried to record via my cell phone, even there nothig publishing. By the way, I just saw your previous message wecoming me. Thank you, for your kind wish. Best wishes... Key Mîrza (talk) 09:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Hmmm, I do not know what to say. Sometimes some recordings do not upload but they other do. When none recording uploads, I do not know what could be the origin. Could you try with another webbrowser (firefox or Chrome)? To go further, I think we would need a Javascript expert that could have some hints. @Poslovitch & Lepticed7 maybe ? Another question, how many words do you try to record? If this is a lot, could you try with only a few (less than 10 for example). Pamputt (talk) 15:42, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
I tried 11 words together, then even 1 word only for testing purpose. Nothing worked. You said Java. Do I need java to be able to work with the application? If so, that I need to install Java. Because I formatted my PC. May be it is not installed. Thank you. Key Mîrza (talk) 17:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Java is different than Javascript. Javascript is language supported by the webbrowser so you do not need to install anything else than a webbrowser to record pronunciations on Lingua Libre. Unfortunately, I cannot dig further in this direction because I almost know nothing about Javascript. Pamputt (talk) 21:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, anyway. Key Mîrza (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Key Mîrza, thank you a lot for your voice, it make us discover new languages. Please be aware Lili works best on solid desktop computers. Also, you likely have a limit of 380 records uploads per 72 minutes. So you may need to leave your tab open, and click "retry" after that. You can expand those right by making a demand on Commons. See LinguaLibre:User rights. Contact us if you think it may be that. Yug (talk) 15:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
It's confirmed, as all new contributor you are limited to 380 uploads per 72h. You can get more userrights by requesting those rights on Commons. Yug (talk) 15:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Late 2022-2023 Winter report

Hello all, allow me to share few overall news from the various recent, ongoing, or near-future efforts.

  • 🤖 User:Pamputt has taken over Lingualibre Bot and added support for the Kurdish wiktionary. See github.
  • 🌏 Melody (WMFr intern) and myself made a mini-editathon on writing template emails for outreach. See Lingualibre:Events.
  • ⚡ User:Elfix and myself will attend are collaborating for sparql requests (me) optimization (Elfix). We aim to create and languages gallery this spring.
  • 🔴 Wikimedia France's freelance on the record wizard is back on track, delivery of fixes should occur around May-June.
  • 🙋‍♀️ Adelaide (WMFr) mentioned the wish of a second intern on Lingualibre outreach this summer, to reuse Melody's assets, expand actions and geographic diversity.
  • 🫱🏼‍🫲🏽 Wikimedia France yearly strategic meetup is this week, and is expected to strengthen its (linguistic) diversity and metrics axes, for which Lingualibre is one of their champions.
  • 🧓 Eve and myself (likely) will be present at Toulouse's Forom des Langues, in May, where ~60+ languages associations are present.

For specific deadlines and events coming soon, please also check Lingualibre:Events/Program. We always welcome contributors. When necessary, WMFr may refund transportation costs. Worth a try ! Yug (talk) 15:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit your nickname

Good evening, I would like to change my nickname because it did not update when I was renamed Manjiro91 then Manjiro5 instead of GamissimoYT on Wikimedia projects. Thanks in advance Regards manȷıro💬 22:53, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Tool to prepare words for Lingua Libre

Preparing words to be used in Lingua Libre has always been challenging. But I think this is a shared challenge. Crawling text from different sources and creating a clean list of words is very important. I've used Tito's instructions in the past, but using multiple tabs and multiple tools is not the best user experience. So, I thought I'd create something that is functional for me and simple enough to be tweaked. Introducing "Prepare words for Lingua Libre". The tool is currently set for Odia but can be easily tweaked for other languages using non-Latin scripts. I'd request Lingua Libre core team to incorporate the tool into Lingua Libre so that users can use the platform to create a wordlist. Extracting words from any random text is always hard, especially new contributors. --Subhashish (talk) 03:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Psubhashish. This is really nice. Do you think it would be easy to adapt it to create a new generator? Generators can be used by anyone after they import them in their common.js. Pamputt (talk) 06:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks User:Pamputt. That would be fantastic, but I probably don't have the right knowhow for doing that. I did take ChatGPT's help to create a .js version from the HTML code I had shared earlier but would appreciate any help. I think having a tool inside Lingua Libre would be great so really liked the idea of new generators. Common users would like things well packaged rather than jumping from one platform to another. --Subhashish (talk) 13:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Problème de publication des enregistrements

Bonjour, il y a quelques années, j'ai renommé mon compte GamissimoYT en Manjiro91. Plus tard, je l'ai renommé Manjiro5. Le problème est que le renommage de mon compte global Wikimedia ne s'est pas fait sur Lingua Libre. Je ne peux donc pas publier les audios que j'enregistre sur LinguaLibre et n'apparaissent pas non plus sur Commons. Pourriez-vous m'aider ? manȷıro💬 08:41, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Renommer un dialecte en langue

Bonjour,

J'avais fait la demande pour l'ajout de "Teochew dialect" il y a quelques années lors de mes premiers essais. Cependant, il paraît plus pertinent de juste laisser "teochew" tout court sans le mot dialecte. Serait-il possible de faire ce changement.

Assassas77 (talk) 19:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Check-green.svg Done Solved here by User:Assassas77 ! It's a wiki :) Yug (talk)

MediaWiki:Lang/*

What are the MediaWiki:Lang/* messages for? For example, MediaWiki:Lang/awa? It looks like they mostly just repeat the language code in the content. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 07:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Where are the Greek recordings?

According to the statistics page there are 130 recordings of the Greek language (Q205, ISO: gre). However there is no category commons:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-gre defined or any recordings added to this category. There is a category commons:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-ell, but it is empty. What happened to the 130 Greek recordings? Olaf (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Olaf, for unclear reason (probably historical reason), it seems that all Greek recordings are categorized in Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-other. We have to move all these recordings in the good catagory (I do not know if Commons has a some automatic tool for such job). And also redirect commons:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-ell to c:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-gre. Pamputt (talk) 07:24, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi Pamputt. This happened because in wikidata:Q9129#P220 both ISO 639-3 codes are deprecated, and entity:getBestStatements function, used in commons:Module:Lingua Libre record#L-46, doesn't accept deprecated entries, so the module can't get the language code and falls back to "other" category. We could change the Wikidata entry and the files would be moved automatically. However code "gre" must stay deprecated, because it is unclear if it refers to ancient or modern Greek. It would be better to promote "ell" to normal entry. Then changes in Greek (Q205) would be also needed. It looks like bulk moving Lingua Libre recordings around doesn't require admin rights, so I can fix this issue if you agree to change the Greek language code to "ell" instead of "gre". Olaf (talk) 08:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi Olaf thank you for your investigation. So, I have modified Greek (Q205) to fix the issue on the Lingua Libre side. For Wikimedia Commons, you can go ahead. Pamputt (talk) 08:11, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Thanks, Pamputt. It's not as easy, as I thought. Setting Greek ISO 639-3 code to normal from obsolete creates constraint validation with Modern Greek with the same code. In fact, LinguaLibre shouldn't record Greek words as Greek (Q9129) but rather as Modern Greek (Q36510). In fact Modern Greek is also defined in LinguaLibre: Modern Greek (Q279). Olaf (talk) 13:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
If I understand correctly, the easiest way to manage this case would be to delete Greek (Q205), so that no one can record in "this language" and thus select only Modern Greek (Q279). If so, I would require to replace all Lingua Libre statements that use Greek (Q205) by Modern Greek (Q279). There is currently 137 items that use Greek (Q205), so I think it is manageable by hand. Olaf, what do you think about this "workaround"? Pamputt (talk) 16:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
This would be perfect, it also requires renaming the 137 recordings in Commons, but it can be done. What about the datasets to be downloaded from LinguaLibre, will they change automatically? Olaf (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Olaf, Pamputt, I had nearly similar case with Chinese ISOs zho vs cmn. I have about 186 zho items (see Help:SPARQL for maintenance)]] which have the wrong iso. My plan is :
  • to delete those audios, very simply, on both Lingualibre and Commons. The alternative would be to edit them all on both sites.
  • to discourage recording or delete that Lili Qid.
so I may work on those audio, some day... Hugo en résidence (talk) 17:36, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
I don't like deleting good recordings as a way of dealing with wrong categorization. Moreover some of them are probably in use, because Olafbot might have added them to Polish Wiktionary. If there is no other option, just leave them where they are in Commons, and remove Greek from Lingua Libre alone in favor of Modern Greek. But I think Pamputt's solution is better. Olaf (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
USer:Olaf, I don't like either. But 186 recording is about 8 minutes work, and it have been confusing us for 3 years. Do point to that. Yug (talk) 19:35, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Deleting 186 recordings is about the same amount of time as modifying the language statement. This is manageable by hand and I would prefer not to delete them. I do not have time for now but I will try to do it before the end of the month. Pamputt (talk) 11:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Any Recording limitation in Lingua Libre

Hello,I want to know any recording limitation in Lingua Libre. Because I'm planning a screen-cast in Tamil language. If anyone know please reply. Thank you Sriveenkat (🎤) (talk) 11:11, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I you are not an autopatrolled user on Wikimedia Commons, then you cannot upload more than 380 audios per 72 minutes. If you want to record more words within this timeslot, then you should request for this right. Pamputt (talk) 14:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi, @Pamputt , I don't record 380 audios within 72 minutes. I'm planning to create screen-cast tutorial video in Tamil language. So I ask this question. Thank you for your reply Sriveenkat (🎤) (talk) 14:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Exclusion list for generators?

Hello, if there isn't a feature like this somewhere already, I propose a per-user blacklist of sorts, which would allow users to select words which would be excluded when you choose one of the generator options to generate words. I'm currently going through a list of words in a Wiktionary category, and I'm confronted with a growing list of words that I can't deal with because they aren't suitable for pronunciation (e.g. particles that surround other arbitrary words), or they're just homophones of something I've already recorded, etc. What would be necessary, techniaclly, in order to make this happen? Kiril kovachev (talk) 12:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Kiril kovachev, I have opened a Phabricator ticket for this request. If you know Javascript, you may have a look to the code to propose a patch. Pamputt (talk) 05:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Barnstar Award Template

There is any Barnstar Award Template for Lingua Libre? Sriveenkat (🎤) (talk) 07:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

There are Template:50k barnstar and Template:Speaker of the month and maybe other. WikiLucas00 may know other barnstars. Pamputt (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
@Pamputt & WikiLucas00 Ok Pamputt, I want give barnstar award for Some Beginner Speakers. It will be a motivating for them. Am I right?Sriveenkat (🎤) (talk) 11:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Hello @Pamputt & Sriveenkat ! Indeed, it would be a nice idea to offer awards for beginners, such as a barnstar for passing 1000 recordings for example. All the best — WikiLucas (🖋️) 16:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

1,000,000th

  • N ! 08:38 కంటగిల్లు (Q1094614)‎ diffhist +3,648‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
  • N ! 08:38 కంటగించు (Q1094613)‎ diffhist +3,636‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
  • N ! 08:38 కంటకితము (Q1094612)‎ diffhist +3,636‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
  • N ! 08:38 కంటకుడు (Q1094611)‎ diffhist +3,624‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
  • N ! 08:38 కంటక (Q1094610)‎ diffhist +3,588‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item
  • N ! 08:38 కంటబడు (Q1094609)‎ diffhist +3,612‎ V Bhavya talk contribs block ‎Created a new Item

Yug (talk)

Why Lingua Libre Bot isn't running Wikidata?

@Poslovitch, Pamputt, & WikiLucas00 Why Lingua Libre Bot isn't running in Wikidata? Darafsh asked about in Wikidata Lexicographical data Telegram Group. What's the problem? Please kindly tell the issue. Thanks-Sriveenkat () (talk) 16:12, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sriveenkat could you point to an Lingua Libre item and a Wikidata item or lexeme that has not received the pronunciation? This will help to test and find what is wrong. Pamputt (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Pamputt Recorded Audios doesn't received in the Wikidata Items and Wikidata Lexemes!. The User Darafsh have recorded some many words for Wikidata Lexeme Project. but never audios added to the Wikidata Lexemes. You can see the wikidata:Special:Contributions/Lingua Libre Bot The last contribution on 23:49, 9 September 2023. So, Iam just asking run the Lingua Libre Bot on Wikidata. I'm also recorded some words for Wikidata Lexeme Project I waited for some days, But never my audios added to wikidata lexemes. So, I run QuickStatements for Adding My audios.. Now User Darafsh also run QuickStatements for adding he's audios.. I think so many users using Lingua Libre for Automatically adding audios on Wikidata and some wikitionaries. I hope you understand Thankyou Regards Sriveenkat () (talk) 05:38, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Thanks to @Sriveenkat to start the discussion. If you need some examples, you may see Mazanin's contributions on Commons. This is the recorded audio: [1] and this is the lexeme entry on Wikidata: [2] but they are not connected yet. Darafsh (talk) 12:07, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

SiteNotice

Hi,
Translations are not working for Sitenotice. Install CentralNotice? ―Eihel (talk) 14:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Global bot status

Lingualibre Bot has been approved. cc @Pamputt, Poslovitch, & WikiLucas00 . Yug (talk) 12:31, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the request and congrats on the approval! — WikiLucas (🖋️) 12:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

ExternalTools - Wikidata Query Service - Recording Indian Actor and Actress Names in Tamil

@Yug, Pamputt, & WikiLucas00 I am now interested in Recording Indian Actor and Actress Names in Tamil. So I make a query, I Input that query url in ExternalTools. A error comes "Result must contain both "id" and "label" field." I think something need to modify on this query. Please anyone help for this. Thanks Sriveenkat (talk) 19:58, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sriveenkat , this works. Please note there is 6982 items if we remove the LIMIT, and I don't how the systems works with such larger list. Yug (talk) 23:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
@Yug Thanks for your reply. The query doesn't works for me :( Error in ExternalTools "undefine" Sriveenkat (talk) 06:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
@Sriveenkat , in Wikifata QS you have to run the query to check if it is working and providing data, if so go to the URL bar, copy that long url. Come back to Lingualibre Step 3, external tool, paste that long url. It worked for me. Yug (talk) 06:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
@Sriveenkat Sorry, I missed something. On the Query Service bottom right, click "Link" > then on "SPARQL endpoint" : copy this url. Yug (talk) 08:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
@Yug Works with copying SPARQL endpoint link. Thank you much. I'm planning to record more proverbs, usage examples, places, persons, Lingualibre is really more comfortable to record it. Thanks Again Sriveenkat (talk) 22:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Logo redesign propositions

I had a bit of fun yesterday contributing to one of my favourite projects in a slightly different way. I've kept the ideas (microphone, wings) and colours of the current logo but made it a bit more polished. I've already taken a few opinions on Discord but I wanted to get a more general opinion. What do you think?

Just so you know, I won't be at all offended if the community prefers to keep the current logo, because there are some very good reasons for keeping it (I'm thinking in particular of all the printed materials, the fact that it's simple (easy to draw by hand if we don't have a printer and maybe more "readable" if very small), its declination for sign languages, etc.).

DSwissK (talk) 08:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

@DSwissK hello,
We can add your proposition in the set of logos ideas within a Wikimedia Commons Category:Proposed Lingua Libre logo, for reference later on. But to be honest, good logo design requires design experience, artistic intuition, brand and public awareness, which are harder to gather than it seems. It also must fit a project's phase and branding strategy, when the project needs a new logo and project members willing to shift from the current high visibility logo to a new one. All together changing a logo is not something easy to push for. I made a similar answer here few month ago about Lingua Libre SignIt. Yug (talk) 12:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
@Yug hi,
Thank you for your input. I appreciate you explaining the complexities - you raise great context I had not fully considered. DSwissK (talk) 09:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hebrew diacritics (Niqqud)

In Hebrew we use diacritics (Niqqud) to determine how to pronounce the words.

Niqqud is usually common in the following cases:

  1. Young kids or people learning the language.
  2. Formal use.
  3. To distinguish between meanings when the base form is ambiguous.

This is a short example:

  • Base form: גזר (GZR)
  • Carrot: גֶּזֶר (Gezer)
  • Masculine cut: גָּזַר (Gazar)
  • Piece: גֶּזֶר (Gezer)

This is the corresponding Wiktionary article: https://he.wiktionary.org/wiki/גזר

When fetching words from Wiktionary it's better to use the first headers instead of the item names because in many cases the term is ambiguous and the items name is the base form without any pronunciation guidance.

As for Wikipedia etc. sometimes there's a word with the Niqqud inside the article but it will be a bit complicated to parse so we can skip that for now.

Lights on userrights

Hello all,
I bumped again into LinguaLibre:User_rights and {{Autopatrolled}}. To the extend of my knowledge we have no solution to this and no active user is munitoring this bottleneck. Is this assessment correct ? Yug (talk) 21:03, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

A mobile app

I personally think that contributing using a browser is quite dangerous, Firefox on mobile, for example, has a very strict page unloading policy which leads to closing the tab while uploading thus losing the remaining data which wasn't uploaded yet (I found a workaround but it's not perfect), are there any thought about this? (Maybe even expanding the current CV Project app by Saverio Morelli?)

Is the Record Wizard not working for anyone else?

My mic works with mictests.com, but the RecordWizard doesn't pick anything up at the "check your microphone" stage. I've tried on both my phone and my laptop, and I can record sound in both cases, and I have the appropriate permissions enabled, but this particular website isn't detecting sounds. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? Grendelkhan (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello User:Grendelkhan,
I just received a second such report. User also checked mictests.com sucessfully.
On Firefox, Lingua Libre recording studio step 4, the microphone is allowed (we see the red microphone image on the left of the URL address). But after clicking the record button, no recording occurs.
  • Mictests on other site : successful.
  • Device: Notebook
  • OS: ?
  • Browser: Firefox, Chrome.
  • User: User:Akamycoco.
  • Languages affected: all.
  • Dates : Worked on February 28. Stopped working on February 29.
Let's starts an investigation. Could you let me know your OS and precise web browser version ? (Help > About Chrome or similar)
Let me know as well if you have basic developer skills to Right-click on the staled page > Inspect > Console : are there any error message ? Yug (talk) 07:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
My laptop is using Google Chrome 122.0.6261.94 (Official Build) (64-bit) on Linux (Debian Testing). No error messages in the console when I attempt the recording. My phone is using Chrome 122.0.6261.90 on Android 14 on a Pixel 5a. It does seem to work on Firefox 115.7.0esr (64-bit) on my laptop. (I really should have checked that before.) So maybe this is solely a Chrome problem? Grendelkhan (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Automatic categorization isn't documented.

So far as I can tell, this isn't documented: if, for user Foo, category Lingua Libre pronunciation by Foo exists on Commons, then all uploads will be categorized into that category. This is helpful! It's also easy to backfill after the fact using commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot. I'm not sure where to document this, but it seems reasonable to do so somewhere. Grendelkhan (talk) 16:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)