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Welcome to the Chat room! Place used to discuss any and all aspects of Lingua Libre: the project itself, discussions of the operations, policy and proposals, technical issues, etc. Other forums include for code-oriented issues, . Feel free to participate in any language you want to.

 
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== Results of Coverage Test of French Lemma and Non-Lemma forms is English Wiktionary ==
 
  
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While playing around with generating lists for pronunciation from Wiktionary, I decided to run a few tests on the current coverage of French lemma and non-lemma forms in English Wiktionary. I choose French because it is the largest datasets in LL.
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== Is the Record Wizard not working for anyone else? ==
  
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Current Coverage of French in Lingua Libre
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My mic works with [https://mictests.com/ mictests.com], but [https://lingualibre.org/wiki/Special:RecordWizard the RecordWizard] doesn't pick anything up at the "check your microphone" stage. I've tried on both my phone and my laptop, and I can record sound in both cases, and I have the appropriate permissions enabled, but this particular website isn't detecting sounds. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 23:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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* Total French Entries in Lingua Libre by a native speaker: 233 982
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:Hello [[User:Grendelkhan]],
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* Unique French Entries in Lingua Libre by a native speaker: 154 358
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:I just received a second such report. User also checked [https://mictests.com/ mictests.com] sucessfully.
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* Percentage of overlap: 34%
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:On Firefox, Lingua Libre recording studio step 4, the microphone is allowed (we see the red microphone image on the left of the URL address). But after clicking the record button, no recording occurs.
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* Term with the greatest number of pronunciations: "blanc" with 40
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:* Mictests on other site : successful.
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:*Device: Notebook
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:*OS: ?
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:*Browser: Firefox, Chrome.
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:*User: [[User:Akamycoco]].
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:*Languages affected: all.
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:*Dates : Worked on February 28. Stopped working on February 29.
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:Let's starts an investigation. Could you let me know your OS and precise web browser version ? (Help > About Chrome or similar)
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:Let me know as well if you have basic developer skills to Right-click on the staled page > Inspect > Console : are there any error message ? [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 07:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
  
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Current Coverage of [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:French_lemmas Category:French lemmas]
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::My laptop is using Google Chrome <tt>122.0.6261.94 (Official Build) (64-bit)</tt> on Linux (Debian Testing). No error messages in the console when I attempt the recording. My phone is using Chrome <tt>122.0.6261.90</tt> on Android 14 on a Pixel 5a. It ''does'' seem to work on Firefox <tt>115.7.0esr (64-bit)</tt> on my laptop. (I really should have checked that before.) So maybe this is solely a Chrome problem? [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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* Total entries in Category:French lemmas: 84 482
 
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* Pronounced entries: 50 917
 
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* Entries with pronunciation: 33 565
 
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* Coverage Percentage: 60.27%
 
  
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Current Coverage of [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:French_non-lemma_forms Category:French non-lemma forms]
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== Automatic categorization isn't documented. ==
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* Total entries in Category:French non-lemma forms: 29 1225
 
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* pronounced entries: 26 791
 
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* Entries with pronunciation: 264 434
 
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* Coverage Percentage: : 9.20%
 
  
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For me, there are several lessons to be drawn.
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So far as I can tell, this isn't documented: if, for user Foo, category <tt>Lingua Libre pronunciation by Foo</tt> exists on Commons, then all uploads will be categorized into that category. This is helpful! It's also easy to backfill after the fact using [[:commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot]]. I'm not sure where to document this, but it seems reasonable to do so ''somewhere''. [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 16:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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# First, there has been amazing growth on LL. Covering 60.27% percent is a real achievement.
 
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# The overlap percentage is quite small overall.
 
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# There needs to be a clearer sense of when LL should stop requesting pronunciations for a certain term because 40 pronunciations of "blanc" seems a bit excessive.
 
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#  A need exists to continue pro-actively targeting entries in Wiktionary that are not in Lingua Libre. Currently, 297 999 French lemma and non-lemma forms  require pronunciations.
 
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# Generating lists from Wiktionary and checking coverage is not as hard as I thought.
 
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# Lingua Libre has almost caught up with Forvo in the number of French pronunciations (233 982 vs 254, 703). Overall, Lingua Libre has shown amazing and healthy progress in a very short period of time. I'm excited about these results. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 03:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 
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:{{Ping|Languageseeker}} This investigation is pretty cool. (I'm not sure i understand all your numbers yet, but i will read again when back on my PC). Its quite nice to see we are reaching Forvo level for our lead language. It's possible we have more unique words than forvo since we have [[user:Olafbot]] actively guiding and pushing us on that path.  
 
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:On Lili we have chosen to be a learning AND linguistic diversity audio database. When you account for gender, regional accents, age, voice type, having 40 french audios for a word is still 400+ voices short.
 
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:Also, all contributors are not able to contribute audio perfect files due to various shortcomings (hardware, no recording room, no noose cancelling system, etc). We lack proper rating and review system. It's on our [slow] roadmap tho. 😉
 
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:PS: Should i answer to you in French i get a feeling you are French or learning it. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 
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:: {{Ping|YUG}} Salut, Yug. Oui, je suis en train d'apprendre le français. Comme nous avons discutez pendant notre reunion, c'est difficile de definer les limits d'une language. Comme je le vois, les formes lemma ne suffit pas. Maintenant, je suis en train de crée un Olafbot sur steroid pour francais. Mon plan est de réaliser un program python qui peux analyser les modèle utilizer sur Wiktionary. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 15:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 
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:Hi {{ping|Languageseeker}}. I'm sorry I did not visit the Chat Room in a long time, and missed your report. Very interesting, good job! I remember a request I made to [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] some time ago: it would be interesting to have a list similar to the one Olafbot is updating, but containing only lemmas of the target language (to quickly have nearly all lemmas of a dictionary illustrated with an audio pron). Also, I suggest you to use the categories of the French version of Wiktionary when you plan to work on French (and some other languages, that are more extensively described there). As you can see [[:fr:wikt:Catégorie:Lemmes_en_français|here]], the category gathering French lemmas is more than 3 times more complete on the fr. version than on the en. version of Wiktionary. As you mentioned, these numbers are exciting, let's keep up the good work! All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 15:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 
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::: {{Ping|WikiLucas00}} Sorry, I totally forgot about your request. The list is now ready for French: [[List:Fra/Filtered-lemmas-without-audio-sorted-by-number-of-wiktionaries]]. It's produced like the other lists, but it's limited to words from Catégorie:Lemmes_en_français. The list will be refreshed together with the rest. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 16:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 
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:::: Hello {{ping|Olaf}}! Thank you so much for this list, it's going to be very useful for sure! Let's cover 100% of Lemmas 😎 I'll tell the French contributors on Discord about it 😉 All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 22:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 
  
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== How to create user page ==
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== Understanding lingua-libre ==
  
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Hello, my user name is Ngangaesther from Kenya. I am still  stuck on how am supposed to create my user page kindly help
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Hi, I am creating this discussion to understand lingua-libre better
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regards Esther
 
  
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== Odia language missing from [[LinguaLibre:Stats/Languages|Stats/Languages]] ==
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== Uploads are failing ==
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:''TLDR: Large amount of users reporting failure to upload at step 5 : [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]], [[User:Culex|Culex]], [[User:XANA000|XANA000]], [[User:Ardzun|Ardzun]] (Indonesian languages), [[User:Penn Zero MSSJ|Penn Zero MSSJ]], [[User:Univòc64]] (Whistled Occitan) and [[User:Akamycoco]] (Taiwanese languages). This likely only tip of iceberg. Only few users were able to [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?hidebots=1&translations=filter&hidepageedits=1&hideWikibase=1&hidelog=1&namespace=0&limit=1000&days=14&enhanced=1&title=Special:RecentChanges&urlversion=2 record in May], with atypically low number of recordings. Indonesia workshop with ~15 participants critically affected. Investigation ongoing. [[User:Hugo en résidence|Hugo en résidence]] ([[User talk:Hugo en résidence|talk]]) 14:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)''
  
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Hi there, for some reason, the Odia-language stats are missing from the [[LinguaLibre:Stats/Languages|Stats/Languages]] page. Also, "The most prolific speakers for the current month
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I can record words, but uploading them to Commons fails. The JavaScript console has the following message:
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" section in the [[LinguaLibre:Stats/Speakers|Stats/Speakers]]  page is not loading at all since the time I checked last (about 10 days). I have tried on Chromium and Firefox and the result is the same even after clearing cache. --[[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]] ([[User talk:Psubhashish|talk]]) 19:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 
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:Hello [[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]], it should be back online. We had a hackathon to put it back. We are calling for devs to push forwards. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 11:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 
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:: Thank you for the update, [[User:Yug|Yug]]. --[[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]] ([[User talk:Psubhashish|talk]]) 14:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 
  
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== Manually-coded languages ==
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: <tt>'''Your IP address is in a range that has been [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Global blocks|blocked on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis]].''' The block was made by [[User:EPIC|‪EPIC‬]]. The reason given is ''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/NOP|Open proxy/Webhost]]: See the [[m:WM:OP/H|help page]] if you are affected''. * Start of block: 10:09, 1 May 2024 * Expiry of block: 10:09, 1 May 2027 Your current IP address is 2001:41d0:304:100::4790. The blocked range is ‪2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33‬. Please include all above details in any queries you make. If you believe you were blocked by mistake, you can find additional information and instructions in the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/No open proxies|No open proxies]] global policy. Otherwise, to discuss the block please [[m:Steward requests/Global|post a request for review on Meta-Wiki]]. You could also send an email to the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Stewards|stewards]] [[m:Special:MyLanguage/VRT|VRT]] queue at "stewards@wikimedia.org" including all above details.`, blockinfo: {…}, "*": "See https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at &lt;https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/mediawiki-api-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/&gt; for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."
  
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I came across [[:meta:Lingua Libre/SignIt]] recently (via betawiki) and was wondering if manually-coded languages would be appropriate for this as well? These are languages in sign modality, but strongly tied to a spoken/written language; they usually adopt the grammar of the nonmanual language, choosing instead to simply transpose the vocabulary. This means they are most often used in application-specific and pidgin contexts (Pidgin Sign for English and diver's signs are examples). In particular, I am interested in ''toki pona luka'', a manual form of {{q|338540}}. Since the vocab is the same as spoken/written toki pona, there are a minimal number of lexemes overall, so having a complete set of signs is easily achievable. Manually-coded languages including ''toki pona luka'' are generally not given a separate ISO 639 code since they are in effect equivalent to scripts. Would this cause a problem for the infrastructure as currently designed? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 05:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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This is not my IP address shown in the error message, and whatismyip confirms that I'm not behind a proxy. The Global block request [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/2024-w18#Global_block_for_Special:Contributions/2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33 is here]. Is this affecting anyone else? I lost a heap of recordings. [[User:Grendelkhan|Grendelkhan]] ([[User talk:Grendelkhan|talk]]) 22:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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:Uploads are failing for me today too, even though I am recording with my account. [[User:Culex|Culex]] ([[User talk:Culex|talk]]) 15:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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:: Idem--[[User:XANA000|XANA000]] ([[User talk:XANA000|talk]]) 16:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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::: I can record, but i couldn’t uploaded until today. I was able to upload once yesterday, but after that I couldn't upload any more. [[User:Ardzun|Ardzun]] ([[User talk:Ardzun|talk]]) 06:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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:I guess I'm not the only one who's been trying for weeks but could not publish audio after 1 May. Hope someone can fix it. [[User:Penn Zero MSSJ|Penn Zero MSSJ]] ([[User talk:Penn Zero MSSJ|talk]]) 20:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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::[[User:Univòc64]] (Whistled occitan) and [[User:Akamycoco]] (Taiwanese languages) also reported issues.
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::It seems time to add a sitenotice warning. [[User:Hugo en résidence|Hugo en résidence]] ([[User talk:Hugo en résidence|talk]]) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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::In may we have mostly : 556 recordings by 7 users on May 1th, 174 recordings on May 11th ([[Special:Contributions/Austin Zhang|Austin Zhang]]), then nothing.
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::If we compare with [https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/User:Yug/QueryLingualibre-monthly.ipynb known monthly recordings], our average months recently was 30k audios, the lowest ones were 5k audios, May 2024 is heading toward 1200 audios or 5% of the average month and 20% of the lowest months. Something weird is going on indeed. 
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{| class=wikitable
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! Most prolific speakers for the current month || Months since 2022
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|-
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<query _pagination="10" locutor="<translate><!--T:7--> Item (locutor Qid)</translate>" locutorLabel="<translate><!--T:8--> Speakers of the Month</translate>" nb="<translate><!--T:9--> Number of records</translate>">
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SELECT ?locutor ?locutorLabel ?nb WHERE {
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  {
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    SELECT ?locutor (COUNT(?record) as ?nb)
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    WHERE {
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        ?record prop:P2 entity:Q2 .        # Q2: record, P2: instance of.
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        ?record prop:P5 ?locutor .          # Property:P5: speaker
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        ?record prop:P6 ?date .
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      FILTER ( YEAR(?date) = YEAR(NOW()) && MONTH(?date) = MONTH(NOW()) )
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    }
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    GROUP BY ?locutor ?locutorLabel
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    ORDER BY DESC(?nb)
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    LIMIT 50
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  }
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  SERVICE wikibase:label {
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    bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en" .
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    ?locutor rdfs:label ?locutorLabel .
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  }
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}
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ORDER BY DESC(?nb)
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</query>
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<pre>
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{ date:2022-01, records: 21290, speakers: 46, languages: 28 },
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{ date:2022-02, records: 3894, speakers: 40, languages: 17 },
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{ date:2022-03, records: 8357, speakers: 61, languages: 21 },
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{ date:2022-04, records: 5454, speakers: 34, languages: 18 },
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{ date:2022-05, records: 4702, speakers: 59, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2022-06, records: 7675, speakers: 41, languages: 18 },
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{ date:2022-07, records: 4364, speakers: 37, languages: 22 },
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{ date:2022-08, records: 9544, speakers: 45, languages: 23 },
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{ date:2022-09, records: 5802, speakers: 113, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2022-10, records: 6931, speakers: 74, languages: 32 },
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{ date:2022-11, records: 8461, speakers: 54, languages: 34 },
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{ date:2022-12, records: 11882, speakers: 54, languages: 23 },
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{ date:2023-01, records: 18150, speakers: 48, languages: 29 },
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{ date:2023-02, records: 32441, speakers: 65, languages: 29 },
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{ date:2023-03, records: 11527, speakers: 61, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2023-04, records: 8451, speakers: 58, languages: 35 },
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{ date:2023-05, records: 21282, speakers: 97, languages: 49 },
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{ date:2023-06, records: 17940, speakers: 56, languages: 35 },
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{ date:2023-07, records: 75825, speakers: 74, languages: 38 },
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{ date:2023-08, records: 32681, speakers: 54, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2023-09, records: 28813, speakers: 114, languages: 30 },
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{ date:2023-10, records: 60317, speakers: 167, languages: 47 },
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{ date:2023-11, records: 49704, speakers: 140, languages: 55 },
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{ date:2023-12, records: 42383, speakers: 114, languages: 41 },
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{ date:2024-01, records: 40572, speakers: 112, languages: 40 },
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{ date:2024-02, records: 22385, speakers: 197, languages: 57 },
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{ date:2024-03, records: 16997, speakers: 173, languages: 48 },
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{ date:2024-04, records: 8733, speakers: 117, languages: 42 },
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{ date:2024-05, records: 556, speakers: 7, languages: 7 }
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</pre>
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|-
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! Daily recordings over April and May 2024 || 
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|-
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<query _pagination="40">
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SELECT
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?yearmonthday
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(COUNT(DISTINCT ?record) AS ?records)
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(COUNT(DISTINCT ?speaker) AS ?speakers)
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(COUNT(DISTINCT ?language) AS ?languages)
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WHERE {
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  ?record prop:P5 ?speaker .
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  ?record prop:P4 ?language .
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  ?record prop:P6 ?date .
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  BIND( SUBSTR(str(?date), 0, 11) as ?yearmonthday )
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    { SELECT ?record
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      WHERE {
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      ?record prop:P2 entity:Q2 .
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      ?record prop:P6 ?date .
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      FILTER(?date >= "2024-04-01T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime)
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      FILTER(?date < "2024-05-30T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime)
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    }
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  }
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}
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GROUP BY ?yearmonthday
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ORDER BY (?yearmonthday)
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</query>
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| <= stops on 2024.05.01<br>Note: [[Special:Contributions/Austin Zhang|Austin Zhang]] recorded 174 audios on 05.11
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|}
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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=== Fixed ===
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Both IP ranges 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 and 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33 were subject to global Wikimedia block at one point (see [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests/Global&oldid=26774369#Unregistered_users_only_block_for_the_range_2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 Global ban range_2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32]). Following our request, the ban have been reconfigured and uploads from LinguaLibre are possible again. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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:I can record and upload since yesterday with my account, so that seems fixed. But it seems the stats are still not updated. [[User:Culex|Culex]] ([[User talk:Culex|talk]]) 12:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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Hello [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]],
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=== Logs ===
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For references, I investigated the relevant block logs and uploads logs for May 2024.<br>Conclusion: the uploads collapse is coherent with the IP Ban. Still, given bug reports from Akamycoco in *March* and 咽頭べさ [[:c:File:Lingua_Libre_error_2024.webm|on step 4]], I suspects other bugs are lingering around.
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{| class=wikitable
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F32&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 18:46, 13 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (anonymous users only) (No open proxies <!-- SCLT ID: Possible VPN or Colocation -->)
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*  [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F32&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 00:51, 10 May 2024] AmandaNP talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (No open proxies <!-- SCLT ID: Possible VPN or Colocation -->) 
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F33&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 17:02, 9 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (anonymous users only) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F33&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 17:09, 1 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 2 years, 364 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes and 36 seconds (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
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* [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3A2001%3A41D0%3A%3A%2F33&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist 17:09, 1 May 2024] EPIC talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
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* : [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&translations=filter&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&tagfilter=OAuth+CID%3A+1735&limit=500&days=30&urlversion=2 Uploads via Lingualibre resumed].
  
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I understand "manually coded languages" as synonymous to "signed languages", am I correct?<br />If there is no distinct ISO for the signed language, we could still:
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13 May 2024
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* Create a new wikidata item without ISO, which will be used as identifier by LinguaLibre infrastructure
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* [... Many more uploads]
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* Use the spoken/write language ISO, and create lists of words all suffixed by <kbd>(signed)</kbd>.
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* Upload log 23:39 Elwinlhq talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q5218 (que)-Elwinlhq-apaqay.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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Either of those solutions could work.
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* Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded a new version of File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 16:38 Oh! Tea<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Oh!_Tea Commons > User:Oh!_Tea :  « nothing » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-sih8 buh8 sah8 nah4.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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11 May 2024
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* Upload log 20:21 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-buah8.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* []... +172 recording by User:Oh! Tea]
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* Upload log 18:56 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-a2.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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10 May 2024
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* Upload log 06:08 CapitainAfrika<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:CapitainAfrika Commons > User:CapitainAfrika :  « IP block exempt » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36217 (lin)-CapitainAfrika-Wiki na monɔkɔ mua bísó.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 00:14 Ardzun<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Ardzun Commons > User:Ardzun :  « nothing »]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q13324 (min)-Ardzun-mada.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 17:08 Àncilu<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Àncilu Commons > User:Àncilu :  « Autopatroller » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-orsù.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 17:05 Àncilu talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-frac.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 21:15 Benoît Prieur<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Benoît_Prieur Commons > User:Benoît_Prieur :  « Administrator » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q8785 (hye)-Benoît Prieur-Artsakh.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=User:Penn_Zero_MSSJ Commons > User:Penn Zero MSSJ :  « nothing » on Commons]</ref> talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hệ số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hỗn số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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* Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hằng đẳng thức.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
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[[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
  
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If you have some knowledge of signed ''toki pona luka'' please let me know. We are adding features on Lingualibre and SignIt in order to be able to record video of signed words by late 2022. We are almost there. If you would like to record some basic signed words to share with the world, then let me know. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 20:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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== Kinyarwanda language representation ==
  
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: Signed languages and manually-coded languages share similarities (the manual modality) and differences (since sign languages are 'native' to the signed modality, they use it more fully, having complete deixis and time-reference systems, use of handshape classifiers, etc.) -- 'luka' means 'hand'/'five', so that's the part of the name that indicates the manual modality, but otherwise it's just garden-variety toki pona. I am interested in using SignIt to record this vocab, yes. The '(signed)' suffix seems like a good way to do it. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 13:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
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I'm Robert RUGAMBA from Rwanda and i belong to Wikimedia Rwanda as a volunteer and event organizer.
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::[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]]: We increasingly have [[:commons:Commons:Bots/Requests/Dragons_Bot_(2)|tools]] to update and correct sign language recordings, so the suffix <code>(signed)</code> or the solution we choose appears incorrect, we still can correct it later using that bot.
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I'm exited to explore this platform of lingua libre and i wish my local languages to be add and represented.  the wikidata rabel is: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33573
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::I would encourage you to first train yourself and learn that manually-coded language over the coming months. Indeed, we still have a very last bug within our video recording chain, which makes rightful videos appears as audio on Commons. We expect to solve this last issue this fall (September or October ?). So for now, I encourage you to rest well, reload energy, to get ready to record later this year. Maybe identify near you some suitable place with elegant monochrome wall to film over or consider building yourself a low-cost recording studio,. Etc.  We can discuss it to keep it low cost and effective if you are interested, as I'm also looking for such walls and/or considering building one for myself.
 
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::See also : [https://github.com/lingua-libre/SignIt/issues/18 Minimal Sign Language Studio guideline]. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 22:30, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 
  
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== Update my username ==
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Thanks. [[User:Annick green|Annick green]]
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:{{Done}} This language was already on Lingualibre as [[Q285]]. If you open [[Special:RecordWizard]], at step 2, add it to your list of known languages. Please type in « Kinyarwanda », «Ikinyarwanda » and you should find it. Only user who have declared to know Kinyarwanda can record in Kinyarwanda. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  
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I have changed my Wikimedia username but the previous name still appears in Lingua Libre. I know it's not included in unified logins. Anyway, please update my username to Aishik Rehman. [[User:Hirok Raja|Hirok Raja]] ([[User talk:Hirok Raja|talk]]) 15:14, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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== Rename my pseudonym ==
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: Hi Hirok Raja¸would you have an example of what you would like to see to be changed? I think you are talking about the filename but I am not sure, so with one example, it would be clearer. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]])
 
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::{{ping|Pamputt}} <br/> 1. Top menubar of lingualibre.org showing 'Hirok Raja' as my profile name. <br/> 2. After uploading when I try to check my uploads in Commons, it takes me to https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Hirok_Raja page. <br/> 3. 'Hirok Raja' being used as Default recorder in the file names and description <br/> 4. Change speaker name to 'Aishik Rehman' every time while recording is quite annoying to me. <br/> 5. Even here 'Hirok Raja' is showing as my signature by default ): [[User:Hirok Raja|Hirok Raja]] ([[User talk:Hirok Raja|talk]]) 19:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 
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:::I suspect this is due to long term cookies. Would be interesting to push a clean up for your connection cookies for Lingualibre, it will log you out, then come back here. [https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/storage?as=u&utm_source=inproduct&redirectslug=permission-store-data&redirectlocale=en-US On firefox].
 
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:::Open <code>about:preferences#privacy</code> > Go to "Cookies and Site Data"> Click "Manage Data" > Search "Lingualibre" > Remove selected. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 21:10, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 
  
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== Siège communautaire de Wikimédia France – ouverture du vote / Community representative to Wikimédia France’s board - votes are opened ==
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Hello. I've renamed my account on wikimedia sites but can't log in directly from this username here. Do i have something to do ? My old username is '''ElsaBester''' and the new one is '''L'embellie'''. Thanks !
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:Hello [[User:ElsaBester|L'embellie]],
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:I may ping [[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas00]], but I think we don't currently have solution for your issue.
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:We are phasing out this wiki, we hope to release a new Lingualibre this winter or early 2025. So this issue will be irrelevant by then. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 20:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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::Hey there {{ping|ElsaBester|Yug}}. Sorry I don't have a solution, but I found this in the Chat Room's archives: [[LinguaLibre:Chat_room/Archives/2023#Update_my_username]]. Good luck — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::Hello {{ping|ElsaBester}} you may also look at my latest reply on [[User talk:Yug]], it's not a great option but maybe you'll want to try it. All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 12:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
  
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(English version below. Do not hesitate to correct my English translation.)
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== Two French words that are impossible to record ==
  
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(Message copié depuis le bistro du jour par [[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]] ([[User talk:Lepticed7|talk]]))
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Two words are impossible to record (even before uploading): ''esclavesse'' and ''scribesse'' (all my attempts with other words work). [[User:Avatea|Avatea]] ([[User talk:Avatea|talk]]) 18:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Hi {{ping|Avatea}}. Sorry for the late reply. I couldn't reproduce the issue on my side, as you can see ({{Q|1385666}}, {{Q|1385667}}) I just recorded a few words ending with -esse, including the two words you mention, without encountering any issue. Did you try again recently? All the best — '''[[User:WikiLucas00|WikiLucas]]''' [[User talk:WikiLucas00|(🖋️)]] 14:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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:: Hi {{ping| WikiLucas00}}
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:: No. I just tried, I was able to record another word, but still not those two. [[User:Avatea|Avatea]] ([[User talk:Avatea|talk]]) 19:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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:: After several dozen new recordings (and I had made hundreds of others before), still unable to record these two words. Tested on macOS and Windows. [[User:Avatea|Avatea]] ([[User talk:Avatea|talk]]) 21:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  
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En tant que président de la commission électorale pour [[:m:Wikimédia France/Gouvernance/Siège communautaire|l'élection du siège communautaire au conseil d'administration de Wikimédia France]], je vous annonce que le vote ouvre aujourd'hui (13 septembre) à 0h CEST. Il se terminera le 26 septembre à 23h59 CEST.
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== Supprimer deux enregistrements incorrects. ==
  
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Comme il y a trois ans, le scrutin est public sur Meta. Les pages de votes sont disponibles dans [[:m:Category:Wikimédia France/Gouvernance/Siège communautaire/2022/Votes|la catégorie correspondante]] ou en lien sur la page principale. C'est un scrutin par approbation, le candidat qui aura le plus grand nombre de voix sera donc déclaré élu. Vous pouvez voter pour autant de candidats que vous le souhaitez.
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Bonjour! À cause d'une erreur lors d'écriture et parce que je l'ai fait pressé, j'ai enregistré par erreur deux termes: *"[[Q1387394|escaramón]]" et son pluriel *"[[Q1387395|escaramones]]". Serait-il possible de supprimer ces fichiers enregistrés ? J'ai déjà fait les enregistrements corrects de ces mots bien écrits et avec la prononciation correcte: "[[Q1387396|escamarón]]", "[[Q1387397|escamarones]]". Vous pouvez vérifier l’exactitude de ce terme [https://diccionariu.alladixital.org/index.php?cod=21008 ici]. Désolé pour le dérangement. --[[User:Limotecariu|Limotecariu]] ([[User talk:Limotecariu|talk]]) 20:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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Si vous avez des questions, vous pouvez les poser sur la page de discussion ou par courriel à election@wikimedia.fr.
 
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Pour la commission électorale, Mathis B, le 12 septembre 2022 à 22:00 (CEST)
 
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(Message copied from the French Wikipedia Bistro by [[User:Lepticed7|Lepticed7]] ([[User talk:Lepticed7|talk]]))
 
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as the chairman of the electoral commission for [[:m:Wikimédia France/Gouvernance/Siège communautaire|the election of the community representative to Wikimédia France’s board]], I announce that votes open today (13th september) at 0:00 CEST. They will be closed on 26th september at 23:59 CEST.
 
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Like it was the case three years ago, voting is on Meta. Voting pages are available in [[:m:Category:Wikimédia France/Gouvernance/Siège communautaire/2022/Votes|the corresponding category]] or as links in the main page. The elected candidate will be the one with the most approbation votes. You can vote for as many candidates as you wish.
 
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== Is there a way to exclude username from Wikimedia Commons upload file name? ==
 
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:''See also [[Help:Renaming]].''
 
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This seems redundant and takes up a lot of space --[[User:Middle river exports|Middle river exports]] ([[User talk:Middle river exports|talk]]) 20:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 
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:{{ping|Middle river exports}} Welcome MRE,
 
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:You could name your speaker with a single character I guess.
 
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:But keeping the name is voluntary. Each speaker has his/her own voice, which we want to document. If, outside of Wikimedia, you want to remove part of the filename, we have a technical tutorial to do so. See [[Help:Download datasets]] and [[Help:Renaming]]. Ping us back if your dataset is not up to date. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 13:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 
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::I have solved this now by just changing my username to something shorter. This way I can upload English as Usmaan (عثمان) for example where instead of just repeating the username it shows two scripts which is more useful. (Apparently few enough people have Arabic script usernames that short common words are mostly available.) --[[User:Middle river exports|عثمان]] ([[User talk:Middle river exports|talk]]) 20:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 
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:::All Unicode characters should be ok, in words and usernames ;) [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 19:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 
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== Username update request ==
 
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I realised my username on Mediawiki didn't carry over here when I changed it. On thus site could I please have it changed to: عُثمان
 
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--[[User:Middle river exports|عثمان]] ([[User talk:Middle river exports|talk]]) 08:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 
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== Data on LinguaLibre:Stats isn't consistant with Wikipedia Commons's Category ==
 
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The stats display more records. This data inconsistency is strange. -- [[User:Shenlebantongying]], 10:36, 23 december 2022.
 
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:So I don't know what is going on. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 17:41, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 
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== [[c:Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-bxg]] ==
 
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All files in this category are tagged with wrong language. I have requested moves for files in the category, but what's more to be done?--[[User:GZWDer|GZWDer]] ([[User talk:GZWDer|talk]]) 13:05, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 
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: Thanks for reporting. Actually all these items are erroneous (see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Q590228]]):
 
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:I have not checked yet if corresponding recordings are still on Commons. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 
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== I can not publish my records recorded via Lingua Libre. ==
 
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It records, but when I press the button to publish it on Wikimedia Commons. It does not work. It returns as "Retry failed upload" Any idea? Thank you. [[User:Key Mîrza|Key Mîrza]] ([[User talk:Key Mîrza|talk]]) 05:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
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:: It was all good until a month ago. Nowadays I am on a vacation in another city and trying to enter to my accout and make some more records. I can enter into my account and I can create records, but I can not publish them. I stuck at publishing stage. Nothing publishing. None of my records publishing. I even tried to record via my cell phone, even there nothig publishing. By the way, I just saw your previous message wecoming me. Thank you, for your kind wish. Best wishes... [[User:Key Mîrza|Key Mîrza]] ([[User talk:Key Mîrza|talk]]) 09:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
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:::Hmmm, I do not know what to say. Sometimes some recordings do not upload but they other do. When none recording uploads, I do not know what could be the origin. Could you try with another webbrowser (firefox or Chrome)? To go further, I think we would need a Javascript expert that could have some hints. {{ping|Poslovitch|Lepticed7}} maybe ? Another question, how many words do you try to record? If this is a lot, could you try with only a few (less than 10 for example). [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 15:42, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
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:::: I tried 11 words together, then even 1 word only for testing purpose. Nothing worked. You said Java. Do I need java to be able to work with the application? If so, that I need to install Java. Because I formatted my PC. May be it is not installed. Thank you. [[User:Key Mîrza|Key Mîrza]] ([[User talk:Key Mîrza|talk]]) 17:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
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:::::Java is different than Javascript. Javascript is language supported by the webbrowser so you do not need to install anything else than a webbrowser to record pronunciations on Lingua Libre. Unfortunately, I cannot dig further in this direction because I almost know nothing about Javascript. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 21:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 
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:[[User:Key Mîrza|Key Mîrza]], thank you a lot for your voice, it make us discover new languages. Please be aware Lili works best on solid desktop computers. Also, you likely have a limit of 380 records uploads per 72 minutes. So you may need to leave your tab open, and click "retry" after that. You can expand those right by making a demand on Commons. See [[LinguaLibre:User rights]]. Contact us if you think it may be that. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 
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::It's [https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Key+M%C3%AErza confirmed], as all new contributor you are limited to 380 uploads per 72h. You can get more userrights by requesting those rights on Commons. [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]]) 15:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 
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== Late 2022-2023 Winter report ==
 
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Hello all, allow me to share few overall news from the various recent, ongoing, or near-future efforts.
 
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* 🤖 User:Pamputt has taken over Lingualibre Bot and added support for the Kurdish wiktionary. See github.
 
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* 🔴 Wikimedia France's freelance on the record wizard is back on track, delivery of fixes should occur around May-June.
 
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* 🫱🏼‍🫲🏽 Wikimedia France yearly strategic meetup is this week, and is expected to strengthen its (linguistic) diversity and metrics axes, for which Lingualibre is one of their champions.
 
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Good evening, I would like to change my nickname because it did not update when I was renamed Manjiro91 then Manjiro5 instead of GamissimoYT on Wikimedia projects. Thanks in advance Regards '''[[User:GamissimoYT|<span style="color:#fc3">manȷıro</span>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:GamissimoYT|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:#000">💬</span>]]</small></sup>''' 22:53, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
 
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== Tool to prepare words for Lingua Libre ==
 
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Preparing words to be used in Lingua Libre has always been challenging. But I think this is a shared challenge. Crawling text from different sources and creating a clean list of words is very important. I've used [[User:Titodutta/Bengali_words_from_pages|Tito's]] instructions in the past, but using multiple tabs and multiple tools is not the best user experience. So, I thought I'd create something that is functional for me and simple enough to be tweaked. Introducing [[User:Psubhashish/tools/Prepare words for Lingua Libre|"Prepare words for Lingua Libre"]]. The tool is currently set for Odia but can be easily tweaked for other languages using non-Latin scripts. I'd request Lingua Libre core team to incorporate the tool into Lingua Libre so that users can use the platform to create a wordlist. Extracting words from any random text is always hard, especially new contributors. --[[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]] ([[User talk:Psubhashish|talk]]) 03:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 
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:Hi [[User:Psubhashish|Psubhashish]]. This is really nice. Do you think it would be easy to adapt it to create a [[Help:Create_a_new_generator|new generator]]? Generators can be used by anyone after they import them in their common.js. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 06:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 
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:: Thanks [[User:Pamputt]]. That would be fantastic, but I probably don't have the right knowhow for doing that. I did take ChatGPT's help to create a [[User:Psubhashish/common.js|.js version]] from the [[User:Psubhashish/tools/Prepare words for Lingua Libre|HTML code]] I had shared earlier but would appreciate any help. I think having a tool inside Lingua Libre would be great so really liked the idea of new generators. Common users would like things well packaged rather than jumping from one platform to another. --[[User:Psubhashish|Subhashish]] ([[User talk:Psubhashish|talk]]) 13:09, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 
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== Problème de publication des enregistrements  ==
 
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Bonjour, il y a quelques années, j'ai renommé mon compte GamissimoYT en Manjiro91. Plus tard, je l'ai renommé Manjiro5. Le problème est que le renommage de mon compte global Wikimedia ne s'est pas fait sur Lingua Libre. Je ne peux donc pas publier les audios que j'enregistre sur LinguaLibre et n'apparaissent pas non plus sur Commons. Pourriez-vous m'aider ? '''[[User:GamissimoYT|<span style="color:#fc3">manȷıro</span>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:GamissimoYT|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color:#000">💬</span>]]</small></sup>''' 08:41, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 
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J'avais fait la demande pour l'ajout de "Teochew dialect" il y a quelques années lors de mes premiers essais. Cependant, il paraît plus pertinent de juste laisser "teochew" tout court sans le mot dialecte. Serait-il possible de faire ce changement.
 
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[[User:Assassas77|Assassas77]] ([[User talk:Assassas77|talk]]) 19:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 
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:{{Done}} Solved [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?title=Q4465&type=revision&diff=912499&oldid=477865 here] by [[User:Assassas77]] ! It's a wiki :) [[User:Yug|Yug]] ([[User talk:Yug|talk]])
 
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== MediaWiki:Lang/* ==
 
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What are the MediaWiki:Lang/* messages for? For example, [[MediaWiki:Lang/awa]]? It looks like they mostly just repeat the language code in the content. --[[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 07:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 
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== Where are the Greek recordings? ==
 
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According to the statistics page there are 130 recordings of the Greek language (Q205, ISO: gre). However there is no category [[commons:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-gre]] defined or any recordings added to this category. There is a category [[commons:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-ell]], but it is empty. What happened to the 130 Greek recordings? [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 20:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 
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:Hi {{u|Olaf}}, for unclear reason (probably historical reason), it seems that all Greek recordings are categorized in [[c:Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-other (Q9129)|Category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-other]]. We have to move all these recordings in the [[c:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-gre|good catagory]] (I do not know if Commons has a some automatic tool for such job). And also redirect [[commons:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-ell]] to [[c:category:Lingua Libre pronunciation-gre]]. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 07:24, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 
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::Hi {{u|Pamputt}}. This happened because in [[wikidata:Q9129#P220]] both ISO 639-3 codes are deprecated, and [https://doc.wikimedia.org/Wikibase/master/php/docs_topics_lua.html#mw_wikibase_entity_getBestStatements entity:getBestStatements] function, used in [[commons:Module:Lingua Libre record#L-46]], doesn't accept deprecated entries, so the module can't get the language code and falls back to "other" category. We could change the Wikidata entry and the files would be moved automatically. However code "gre" must stay deprecated, because it is unclear if it refers to ancient or modern Greek. It would be better to promote "ell" to normal entry. Then changes in [[Q205]] would be also needed. It looks like bulk moving Lingua Libre recordings around doesn't require admin rights, so I can fix this issue if you agree to change the Greek language code to "ell" instead of "gre". [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 08:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 
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:::Hi {{u|Olaf}} thank you for your investigation. So, I have modified {{Q|205}} to fix the issue on the Lingua Libre side. For Wikimedia Commons, you can go ahead. [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 08:11, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 
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::::Thanks, {{u|Pamputt}}. It's not as easy, as I thought. Setting Greek ISO 639-3 code to normal from obsolete creates constraint validation with Modern Greek with the same code. In fact, LinguaLibre shouldn't record Greek words as Greek ([[Wikidata:Q9129|Q9129]]) but rather as Modern Greek ([[Wikidata:Q36510|Q36510]]). In fact Modern Greek is also defined in LinguaLibre: [[Q279]]. [[User:Olaf|Olaf]] ([[User talk:Olaf|talk]]) 13:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 
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:::::If I understand correctly, the easiest way to manage this case would be to delete {{Q|205}}, so that no one can record in "this language" and thus select only {{Q|279}}. If so, I would require to replace all Lingua Libre statements that use {{Q|205}} by {{Q|279}}. There is currentlt [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Q205&namespace=0&limit=500 137 items] that use {{Q|205}}, so I think it is manageable by hand. {{u|Olaf}}, what do you think about this "workaround"? [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]] ([[User talk:Pamputt|talk]]) 16:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 
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:::::[[User:Olaf|Olaf]], [[User:Pamputt|Pamputt]], I had nearly similar case with Chinese ISOs zho vs cmn. I have about 150 zho which have the wrong iso. My plan is to delete those, very simply, on both Lingualibre and Commons. The alternative would be to edit them all on both sites. I also have a SPARQL to list them, see [[Help:SPARQL for maintenance]]. [[User:Hugo en résidence|Hugo en résidence]] ([[User talk:Hugo en résidence|talk]]) 17:36, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 

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Is the Record Wizard not working for anyone else?

My mic works with mictests.com, but the RecordWizard doesn't pick anything up at the "check your microphone" stage. I've tried on both my phone and my laptop, and I can record sound in both cases, and I have the appropriate permissions enabled, but this particular website isn't detecting sounds. Is anyone else having this kind of problem? Grendelkhan (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello User:Grendelkhan,
I just received a second such report. User also checked mictests.com sucessfully.
On Firefox, Lingua Libre recording studio step 4, the microphone is allowed (we see the red microphone image on the left of the URL address). But after clicking the record button, no recording occurs.
  • Mictests on other site : successful.
  • Device: Notebook
  • OS: ?
  • Browser: Firefox, Chrome.
  • User: User:Akamycoco.
  • Languages affected: all.
  • Dates : Worked on February 28. Stopped working on February 29.
Let's starts an investigation. Could you let me know your OS and precise web browser version ? (Help > About Chrome or similar)
Let me know as well if you have basic developer skills to Right-click on the staled page > Inspect > Console : are there any error message ? Yug (talk) 07:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
My laptop is using Google Chrome 122.0.6261.94 (Official Build) (64-bit) on Linux (Debian Testing). No error messages in the console when I attempt the recording. My phone is using Chrome 122.0.6261.90 on Android 14 on a Pixel 5a. It does seem to work on Firefox 115.7.0esr (64-bit) on my laptop. (I really should have checked that before.) So maybe this is solely a Chrome problem? Grendelkhan (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Automatic categorization isn't documented.

So far as I can tell, this isn't documented: if, for user Foo, category Lingua Libre pronunciation by Foo exists on Commons, then all uploads will be categorized into that category. This is helpful! It's also easy to backfill after the fact using commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot. I'm not sure where to document this, but it seems reasonable to do so somewhere. Grendelkhan (talk) 16:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Understanding lingua-libre

Hi, I am creating this discussion to understand lingua-libre better

Uploads are failing

TLDR: Large amount of users reporting failure to upload at step 5 : Grendelkhan, Culex, XANA000, Ardzun (Indonesian languages), Penn Zero MSSJ, User:Univòc64 (Whistled Occitan) and User:Akamycoco (Taiwanese languages). This likely only tip of iceberg. Only few users were able to record in May, with atypically low number of recordings. Indonesia workshop with ~15 participants critically affected. Investigation ongoing. Hugo en résidence (talk) 14:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I can record words, but uploading them to Commons fails. The JavaScript console has the following message:

Your IP address is in a range that has been blocked on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis. The block was made by ‪EPIC‬. The reason given is Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected. * Start of block: 10:09, 1 May 2024 * Expiry of block: 10:09, 1 May 2027 Your current IP address is 2001:41d0:304:100::4790. The blocked range is ‪2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33‬. Please include all above details in any queries you make. If you believe you were blocked by mistake, you can find additional information and instructions in the No open proxies global policy. Otherwise, to discuss the block please post a request for review on Meta-Wiki. You could also send an email to the stewards VRT queue at "stewards@wikimedia.org" including all above details.`, blockinfo: {…}, "*": "See https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php for API usage. Subscribe to the mediawiki-api-announce mailing list at <https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/mediawiki-api-announce.lists.wikimedia.org/> for notice of API deprecations and breaking changes."

This is not my IP address shown in the error message, and whatismyip confirms that I'm not behind a proxy. The Global block request is here. Is this affecting anyone else? I lost a heap of recordings. Grendelkhan (talk) 22:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Uploads are failing for me today too, even though I am recording with my account. Culex (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Idem--XANA000 (talk) 16:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I can record, but i couldn’t uploaded until today. I was able to upload once yesterday, but after that I couldn't upload any more. Ardzun (talk) 06:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I guess I'm not the only one who's been trying for weeks but could not publish audio after 1 May. Hope someone can fix it. Penn Zero MSSJ (talk) 20:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
User:Univòc64 (Whistled occitan) and User:Akamycoco (Taiwanese languages) also reported issues.
It seems time to add a sitenotice warning. Hugo en résidence (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
In may we have mostly : 556 recordings by 7 users on May 1th, 174 recordings on May 11th (Austin Zhang), then nothing.
If we compare with known monthly recordings, our average months recently was 30k audios, the lowest ones were 5k audios, May 2024 is heading toward 1200 audios or 5% of the average month and 20% of the lowest months. Something weird is going on indeed.
Most prolific speakers for the current month Months since 2022
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{ date:2022-01, records: 21290, speakers: 46, languages: 28 },
{ date:2022-02, records: 3894, speakers: 40, languages: 17 },
{ date:2022-03, records: 8357, speakers: 61, languages: 21 },
{ date:2022-04, records: 5454, speakers: 34, languages: 18 },
{ date:2022-05, records: 4702, speakers: 59, languages: 30 },
{ date:2022-06, records: 7675, speakers: 41, languages: 18 },
{ date:2022-07, records: 4364, speakers: 37, languages: 22 },
{ date:2022-08, records: 9544, speakers: 45, languages: 23 },
{ date:2022-09, records: 5802, speakers: 113, languages: 30 },
{ date:2022-10, records: 6931, speakers: 74, languages: 32 },
{ date:2022-11, records: 8461, speakers: 54, languages: 34 },
{ date:2022-12, records: 11882, speakers: 54, languages: 23 },
{ date:2023-01, records: 18150, speakers: 48, languages: 29 },
{ date:2023-02, records: 32441, speakers: 65, languages: 29 },
{ date:2023-03, records: 11527, speakers: 61, languages: 30 },
{ date:2023-04, records: 8451, speakers: 58, languages: 35 },
{ date:2023-05, records: 21282, speakers: 97, languages: 49 },
{ date:2023-06, records: 17940, speakers: 56, languages: 35 },
{ date:2023-07, records: 75825, speakers: 74, languages: 38 },
{ date:2023-08, records: 32681, speakers: 54, languages: 30 },
{ date:2023-09, records: 28813, speakers: 114, languages: 30 },
{ date:2023-10, records: 60317, speakers: 167, languages: 47 },
{ date:2023-11, records: 49704, speakers: 140, languages: 55 },
{ date:2023-12, records: 42383, speakers: 114, languages: 41 },
{ date:2024-01, records: 40572, speakers: 112, languages: 40 },
{ date:2024-02, records: 22385, speakers: 197, languages: 57 },
{ date:2024-03, records: 16997, speakers: 173, languages: 48 },
{ date:2024-04, records: 8733, speakers: 117, languages: 42 },
{ date:2024-05, records: 556, speakers: 7, languages: 7 }
Daily recordings over April and May 2024
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 <= stops on 2024.05.01
Note: Austin Zhang recorded 174 audios on 05.11

Yug (talk) 10:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed

Both IP ranges 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 and 2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/33 were subject to global Wikimedia block at one point (see Global ban range_2001:41D0:0:0:0:0:0:0/32). Following our request, the ban have been reconfigured and uploads from LinguaLibre are possible again. Yug (talk) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

I can record and upload since yesterday with my account, so that seems fixed. But it seems the stats are still not updated. Culex (talk) 12:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Logs

For references, I investigated the relevant block logs and uploads logs for May 2024.
Conclusion: the uploads collapse is coherent with the IP Ban. Still, given bug reports from Akamycoco in *March* and 咽頭べさ on step 4, I suspects other bugs are lingering around.

Global IP bans Lingualibre uploads logs
  • 18:46, 13 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (anonymous users only) (No open proxies )
  • 00:51, 10 May 2024 AmandaNP talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/32 talk with an expiration time of 00:51, 10 May 2026 (No open proxies )
  • 17:02, 9 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs changed global block settings for 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (anonymous users only) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
  • 17:09, 1 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 2 years, 364 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes and 36 seconds (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)
  • 17:09, 1 May 2024 EPIC talk contribs globally blocked 2001:41d0::/33 talk with an expiration time of 17:09, 1 May 2027 (Open proxy/Webhost: See the help page if you are affected)

13 May 2024

  • [... Many more uploads]
  • Upload log 23:39 Elwinlhq talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q5218 (que)-Elwinlhq-apaqay.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded a new version of File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 19:05 Assassas77 talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9192 (cmn)-Assassas77-八角.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 16:38 Oh! Tea[1] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-sih8 buh8 sah8 nah4.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

11 May 2024

  • Upload log 20:21 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-buah8.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • []... +172 recording by User:Oh! Tea]
  • Upload log 18:56 Oh! Tea talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36759-Austin Zhang-a2.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

10 May 2024

  • Upload log 06:08 CapitainAfrika[2] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q36217 (lin)-CapitainAfrika-Wiki na monɔkɔ mua bísó.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 00:14 Ardzun[3] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q13324 (min)-Ardzun-mada.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

9 May 2024

  • Upload log 17:08 Àncilu[4] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-orsù.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 17:05 Àncilu talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q652 (ita)-XANA000-frac.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

5 May 2024

  • Upload log 21:15 Benoît Prieur[5] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q8785 (hye)-Benoît Prieur-Artsakh.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]

1 May 2024

  • Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ[6] talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hệ số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hỗn số.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • Upload log 16:09 Penn Zero MSSJ talk contribs uploaded File:LL-Q9199 (vie)-Penn Zero MSSJ-hằng đẳng thức.wav ‎ Tag: Lingua Libre [2.2]
  • [... Many more uploads]
  1. ↑ Commons > User:Oh!_Tea : « nothing » on Commons
  2. ↑ Commons > User:CapitainAfrika : « IP block exempt » on Commons
  3. ↑ Commons > User:Ardzun : « nothing »
  4. ↑ Commons > User:Àncilu : « Autopatroller » on Commons
  5. ↑ Commons > User:Benoît_Prieur : « Administrator » on Commons
  6. ↑ Commons > User:Penn Zero MSSJ : « nothing » on Commons

Yug (talk) 10:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Kinyarwanda language representation

I'm Robert RUGAMBA from Rwanda and i belong to Wikimedia Rwanda as a volunteer and event organizer. I'm exited to explore this platform of lingua libre and i wish my local languages to be add and represented. the wikidata rabel is: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q33573

Thanks. Annick green

Check-green.svg Done This language was already on Lingualibre as Kinyarwanda (Q285). If you open Special:RecordWizard, at step 2, add it to your list of known languages. Please type in « Kinyarwanda », «Ikinyarwanda » and you should find it. Only user who have declared to know Kinyarwanda can record in Kinyarwanda. Yug (talk) 16:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Rename my pseudonym

Hello. I've renamed my account on wikimedia sites but can't log in directly from this username here. Do i have something to do ? My old username is ElsaBester and the new one is L'embellie. Thanks !

Hello L'embellie,
I may ping WikiLucas00, but I think we don't currently have solution for your issue.
We are phasing out this wiki, we hope to release a new Lingualibre this winter or early 2025. So this issue will be irrelevant by then. Yug (talk) 20:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Hey there @ElsaBester & Yug . Sorry I don't have a solution, but I found this in the Chat Room's archives: LinguaLibre:Chat_room/Archives/2023#Update_my_username. Good luck — WikiLucas (🖋️) 18:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ElsaBester you may also look at my latest reply on User talk:Yug, it's not a great option but maybe you'll want to try it. All the best — WikiLucas (🖋️) 12:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Two French words that are impossible to record

Hi,

Two words are impossible to record (even before uploading): esclavesse and scribesse (all my attempts with other words work). Avatea (talk) 18:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Avatea . Sorry for the late reply. I couldn't reproduce the issue on my side, as you can see (esclavesse (Q1385666), scribesse (Q1385667)) I just recorded a few words ending with -esse, including the two words you mention, without encountering any issue. Did you try again recently? All the best — WikiLucas (🖋️) 14:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi @WikiLucas00
No. I just tried, I was able to record another word, but still not those two. Avatea (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
After several dozen new recordings (and I had made hundreds of others before), still unable to record these two words. Tested on macOS and Windows. Avatea (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Supprimer deux enregistrements incorrects.

Bonjour! À cause d'une erreur lors d'écriture et parce que je l'ai fait pressé, j'ai enregistré par erreur deux termes: *"escaramón" et son pluriel *"escaramones". Serait-il possible de supprimer ces fichiers enregistrés ? J'ai déjà fait les enregistrements corrects de ces mots bien écrits et avec la prononciation correcte: "escamarón", "escamarones". Vous pouvez vérifier l’exactitude de ce terme ici. Désolé pour le dérangement. --Limotecariu (talk) 20:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

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