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List translation is the process, when no relevant wordlist exist in a target language (L2), to pick a relevant existing list from a larger language spoken by that community (L1), to efficiently translate that L1 list into your target L2 language. This process is both highly efficient, yet biased and technical. This page guides a willing lexicographer to properly translate a list for LinguaLibre. This page takes for case study a Portuguese list translated into Amazonia's Surui language. This work lean toward field linguistic and lexicography.

 
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{{#SUBTITLE:'''List translation''' is the process, when no relevant wordlist exist an a target language (L2), to take a relevant existing list in a larger language spoken by that community (L1), and to efficiently translate that list into your target language (L2). This process is both highly efficient, yet biased and technical. This page guides a willing lexicographer to properly translate a list for LinguaLibre. This page takes for case study a Portugese list translated into Amazonia's Surui language.}}
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{{#SUBTITLE:'''List translation''' is the process, when no relevant wordlist exist in a target language (L2), to pick a relevant existing list from a larger language spoken by that community (L1), to efficiently translate that L1 list into your target L2 language. This process is both highly efficient, yet biased and technical. This page guides a willing lexicographer to properly translate a list for LinguaLibre. This page takes for case study a Portuguese list translated into Amazonia's Surui language. This work lean toward field linguistic and lexicography.}}
 
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== Community ==
 
== Community ==
[[File:Ordem_do_Mérito_Cultural_(8162244806)_(cropped).jpg|300px|thumb|[[:fr:Almir Surui|Almir Surui]], 2012, recevant l'Ordre du mérite culturel brésilien. Almir est l'orateur natif venant pour cette journée.]]
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[[File:Ordem_do_Mérito_Cultural_(8162244806)_(cropped).jpg|300px|thumb|[[:fr:Almir Surui|Almir Surui]], 2012, receiving a culture price from the Brazilian government. Almir is the native speaker willing to audio-document his Surui language using LinguaLibre.]]
In this case study, the community we work with here is the [[Surui people]], located in North-Western Amazonia.
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In this case study, the community we work with here is the [[:en:Surui people|Surui people]], located in North-Western Amazonia.
 
<br>It's a small population of 30 Amazonia forest's villages and '''1,600 native speakers'''.
 
<br>It's a small population of 30 Amazonia forest's villages and '''1,600 native speakers'''.
<br>The languages they speak is Surui and Portugese, the national language of Brazil, at various levels.
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<br>Suruis speak both their own Surui language and Portuguese language as the national language of Brazil. Levels of bilingual mastery varies.
 
<br>Westernization is radically changing daily practices, culture and language.
 
<br>Westernization is radically changing daily practices, culture and language.
  
Almir Surui, their elected chief, has been contacted and is willing to lead such effort.<br>
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Almir Surui, their elected chief, is our contact and has shown willingness to lead such effort.<br>
 
Recent effort to preserve and revitalize their language are underway : they recently normalized Surui language's writing, elementary school is in Surui language, with associated new books.
 
Recent effort to preserve and revitalize their language are underway : they recently normalized Surui language's writing, elementary school is in Surui language, with associated new books.
  
 
There is no existing wordlist to reuse to record in Lingualibre.
 
There is no existing wordlist to reuse to record in Lingualibre.
  
== Identify your source ==
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== Identify your source list ==
Given their second language is Portugese…
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Given their second language is Portuguese…
 
<br>Given academic researches recommending word list sorted by frequency…
 
<br>Given academic researches recommending word list sorted by frequency…
<br>And given we have such list in Portugese…
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<br>And given we have such list in Portuguese…
 
<br>We will work with Surui natives to translate such Portuguese list into Surui :
 
<br>We will work with Surui natives to translate such Portuguese list into Surui :
  
* [[List:Por/words-by-frequency-00001-to-02000|List:Por/words-by-frequency-00001-to-02000]] - les 2000 mots portugais les plus utilisés à traduire en Surui.
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The L1 source:
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* [[List:Por/words-by-frequency-00001-to-02000]] - les 2000 mots portugais les plus utilisés
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Our <code>L1 → L2</code> working page:
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* [https://lingualibre.org/index.php?title=List:Sru/words-by-frequency-00001-to-02000&oldid=759502 List:Sru/words-by-frequency-00001-to-02000] - les 2000 mots portugais les plus utilisés '''à traduire en Surui.'''
  
 
== Identifying the translators ==
 
== Identifying the translators ==
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This translator will need to either translate :
 
This translator will need to either translate :
 
* online via the "EDIT" button (you must create a Wikipedia account)
 
* online via the "EDIT" button (you must create a Wikipedia account)
* offline, and forward the results.
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* offline, and forward the results by email.
  
 
== Linguistic biases ==
 
== Linguistic biases ==
 
Surui language being very different from Portuguese, we can advance in phases :
 
Surui language being very different from Portuguese, we can advance in phases :
 
* 1st phase (quantitative): bluntly translating from Portuguese to Surui is adapted to a first massive effort, in order to produce 90% of the common vocabulary.
 
* 1st phase (quantitative): bluntly translating from Portuguese to Surui is adapted to a first massive effort, in order to produce 90% of the common vocabulary.
* 2nd phase (qualitative): it will naturally be appropriate to complete these Portuguese-centered lists with lexicons and concepts specific to Surui and its environment. This supplement is a work of a different nature.
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* 2nd phase (qualitative): it will naturally be appropriate to complete these foreign-inspired lists with lexicons and concepts specific to your language and its environment. This supplement is a work of a different nature.
  
 
Qualitatively, this whole will constitute a solid bilingual Surui <=> Portuguese vocabulary, and with Lingualibre, a multimedia dictionary.
 
Qualitatively, this whole will constitute a solid bilingual Surui <=> Portuguese vocabulary, and with Lingualibre, a multimedia dictionary.
  
== Vocabulary list translation rules ==
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== Translation rules for lists ==
The Surui list will ultimately be a single Surui wordlist ready to save. A few rules must be taken into account to carry out this effort properly.
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The Surui list will ultimately be a single Surui wordlist ready to save. A few rules must be taken into account to properly carry out this effort.
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1) The source language is called ''L1'' for ''« Language 1 »'' (L1 = Portuguese), we add to it the target language nicknamed ''L2'' for « Language 2 » (L2 = Surui)
  
1) We speak of L1 for the language to be translated (ex: L1 Portuguese) and of L2 for the added translations (ex: L2 Surui).
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2) The format of our vocabulary list is therefor as follows:
2) The format of our vocabulary list is as follows:
 
  
* L1 (Portuguese) L2 (Surui)
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* <code>L1 → L2</code>
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* i.e.: <code>Portuguese → Surui</code>
  
3) Keep the "" sign, it is very important for what follows.
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3) Keep the <big><code></code></big> sign, it's an important ''separator''.
4) To the Portuguese L1 word on the left, we add as the L2 translation on the right its most common synonym. Example for L1 Portuguese → L2 English:
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4) To the Portuguese L1 word on the left, we add as the L2 translation on the right its most common synonym. Example for ''L1 Portuguese → L2 English'':
 
<pre>
 
<pre>
 
* que → that
 
* que → that
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* como → like
 
* como → like
 
</pre>
 
</pre>
5) Si un mot L1 il n'existe pas de traduction L2, passer au mot suivant, car nous souhaitons traduire le plus de mots possible. Exemple, "Arranha-céu" est ignoré:
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5) If an L1 word there is no L2 translation, go to the next word, because we want to translate as many words as possible. Example, "Arranha-céu" is ignored:
 
<pre>
 
<pre>
 
* uma → one
 
* uma → one
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</pre>
 
</pre>
  
6) Si pour un mot L1 plusieurs traductions L2 très communes existent, dupliquer la ligne et traduire:
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6) If for an L1 word several very common L2 translations exist, duplicate the line and translate:
 
<pre>
 
<pre>
 
* como → like
 
* como → like
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</pre>
 
</pre>
  
7) Si pour un mot L1 de trop nombreuses traductions L2 existent, par variations, n'ajouter que la base. Exemple pour les variations verbales pour L1 anglais et L2 portugais :
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7) If for an L1 word too many L2 translations exist, by variations, add only the base. Example for verb variations for English L1 and Portuguese L2:
 
<pre>
 
<pre>
 
* be → ser
 
* be → ser
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* build → construir
 
* build → construir
 
</pre>
 
</pre>
Nous traduisons uniquement la base fondamentale, nous ne détaillons les variations infinis :
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We only translate the core base, we do not translate variations.
 
<pre>
 
<pre>
 
* build → construir O
 
* build → construir O
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</pre>
 
</pre>
  
8) Si il n'existe pas de mot L1, et qu'il existe un mot L2 spécifique, ajouter une ligne et un mot après la flèche. Exemple, si le portugais n'a pas de mot pour "Penguin", alors:
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8) If there is no L1 word, and there is a specific L2 word, add a line and a word after the arrow. Example, if Portuguese has no word for "Penguin", then:
 
<pre>
 
<pre>
 
* Papagaio → Parrot
 
* Papagaio → Parrot
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* Monkey → Macaco
 
* Monkey → Macaco
 
</pre>
 
</pre>
9) Secret: les "trous" produits en 5) et 8) pourront être complétés plus tard.
 
  
;Pour aller plus loin...
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9) Secret: the "empty sides" produced in 5) and 8) can be completed later.
Les listes suivantes sont disponibles à la traduction vers le Surui, afin de constituer rapidement une liste Surui de base de 6 à 8000 mots Surui :
 
  
* [[List:Sru/words-by-frequency-02001-to-04000|List:Sru/words-by-frequency-02001-to-04000]]
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== List cleaning ==
* [[List:Sru/words-by-frequency-04001-to-06000|List:Sru/words-by-frequency-04001-to-06000]]
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[[File:LinguaLibre 2022 Paris Surui training-02.jpg|thumb|300px|A 4 hours training session was organized for Almir with :<br>1) Strategic consideration for long term collaboration, presentation of existing learning apps<br>2) Discussion around Surui vocabulary and variability, clarifying the focus on word stems only.<br>3) Presentation of LinguaLibre and first trial usage with 100 words (work not uploaded to Commons)<br>4) Pause / Cleaning of the provided list<br>5) Productive recording session with audios sent to Commons.]]
* [[List:Sru/words-by-frequency-06001-to-08000|List:Sru/words-by-frequency-06001-to-08000]]
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A local bilingual teacher started to translate the first list of 2,000 common Portuguese words. There was, naturally in this first work, some formating error to refine :
* [[List:Sru/words-by-frequency-08001-to-10000|List:Sru/words-by-frequency-08001-to-10000]]
 
  
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{| class="wikitable"
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! Initial work by translator || Structure || Error description || Correct formatting || Structure
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|-
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| # Monkey → Macaca/Macaco || # L1 → L2/L2 || Multiple L2 inlined: must be on several lines || # Monkey → Macaca<br># Monkey → Macaco || # L1 → L2<br># L1 → L2
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|-
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| # Parrot → Papagaio || # L2 → L1 || Inverted position || # Papagaio → Parrot  || # L1 → L2
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|-
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| # Monkey →Macaca || # L1 →L2 || Broken formating: separator space removed || # Monkey → Macaca  || # L1 → L2
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|}
  
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== To push further ==
Un second email est en cour d'écriture pour les aspects de coordinations relatif au 20 Mai 2022 à Paris.
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The source Portuguese list covers 20,000+ common words to got further. The following lists are available for translation into Surui, in order to quickly build a basic Surui vocabulary of 9,000 Surui words (assuming 10% words will be skipped) :
 
 
Bien à vous,
 
  
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* [[List:Sru/words-by-frequency-02001-to-04000]]
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* [[List:Sru/words-by-frequency-04001-to-06000]]
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* [[List:Sru/words-by-frequency-06001-to-08000]]
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* [[List:Sru/words-by-frequency-08001-to-10000]]
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==
 
* [[Help:Homographs]]
 
* [[Help:Homographs]]
* [[Lists]]
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* [[Help:Lists]]
[[Category:Lingua Libre:Help]]
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{{Helps}}

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Community

Almir Surui, 2012, receiving a culture price from the Brazilian government. Almir is the native speaker willing to audio-document his Surui language using LinguaLibre.

In this case study, the community we work with here is the Surui people, located in North-Western Amazonia.
It's a small population of 30 Amazonia forest's villages and 1,600 native speakers.
Suruis speak both their own Surui language and Portuguese language as the national language of Brazil. Levels of bilingual mastery varies.
Westernization is radically changing daily practices, culture and language.

Almir Surui, their elected chief, is our contact and has shown willingness to lead such effort.
Recent effort to preserve and revitalize their language are underway : they recently normalized Surui language's writing, elementary school is in Surui language, with associated new books.

There is no existing wordlist to reuse to record in Lingualibre.

Identify your source list

Given their second language is Portuguese…
Given academic researches recommending word list sorted by frequency…
And given we have such list in Portuguese…
We will work with Surui natives to translate such Portuguese list into Surui :

The L1 source:

Our L1 → L2 working page:

Identifying the translators

Almir has, as requested, identified a translator.

This translator will need to either translate :

  • online via the "EDIT" button (you must create a Wikipedia account)
  • offline, and forward the results by email.

Linguistic biases

Surui language being very different from Portuguese, we can advance in phases :

  • 1st phase (quantitative): bluntly translating from Portuguese to Surui is adapted to a first massive effort, in order to produce 90% of the common vocabulary.
  • 2nd phase (qualitative): it will naturally be appropriate to complete these foreign-inspired lists with lexicons and concepts specific to your language and its environment. This supplement is a work of a different nature.

Qualitatively, this whole will constitute a solid bilingual Surui <=> Portuguese vocabulary, and with Lingualibre, a multimedia dictionary.

Translation rules for lists

The Surui list will ultimately be a single Surui wordlist ready to save. A few rules must be taken into account to properly carry out this effort.

1) The source language is called L1 for « Language 1 » (L1 = Portuguese), we add to it the target language nicknamed L2 for « Language 2 » (L2 = Surui)

2) The format of our vocabulary list is therefor as follows:

  • L1 → L2
  • i.e.: Portuguese → Surui

3) Keep the sign, it's an important separator.

4) To the Portuguese L1 word on the left, we add as the L2 translation on the right its most common synonym. Example for L1 Portuguese → L2 English:

* que → that
* a → a
* o → the
* de → from
* não → no
* é → is
* e → and
* um → one
* para → to
* eu → me
* se → if
* me → me
* no →
* uma → one
* está → is
* por → by
* com → with
* os → the
* do → from
* te → you
* em → in
* ele → he
* como → like

5) If an L1 word there is no L2 translation, go to the next word, because we want to translate as many words as possible. Example, "Arranha-céu" is ignored:

* uma → one
* Arranha-céu →
* como → like

6) If for an L1 word several very common L2 translations exist, duplicate the line and translate:

* como → like
* como → as
* como → similar to
* Monkey → Macaca
* Monkey → Macaco
* Monkeys → Macacas
* Monkeys → Macacos

7) If for an L1 word too many L2 translations exist, by variations, add only the base. Example for verb variations for English L1 and Portuguese L2:

* be → ser
* make → fazer
* move → mover
* build → construir

We only translate the core base, we do not translate variations.

* build → construir O
* build → construo X
* build → constrói X
* build → construiu X
* build → construímos X
* build → constroem X
* build → constroem X
* …

8) If there is no L1 word, and there is a specific L2 word, add a line and a word after the arrow. Example, if Portuguese has no word for "Penguin", then:

* Papagaio → Parrot
* → Penguin
* Monkey → Macaco

9) Secret: the "empty sides" produced in 5) and 8) can be completed later.

List cleaning

A 4 hours training session was organized for Almir with :
1) Strategic consideration for long term collaboration, presentation of existing learning apps
2) Discussion around Surui vocabulary and variability, clarifying the focus on word stems only.
3) Presentation of LinguaLibre and first trial usage with 100 words (work not uploaded to Commons)
4) Pause / Cleaning of the provided list
5) Productive recording session with audios sent to Commons.

A local bilingual teacher started to translate the first list of 2,000 common Portuguese words. There was, naturally in this first work, some formating error to refine :

Initial work by translator Structure Error description Correct formatting Structure
# Monkey → Macaca/Macaco # L1 → L2/L2 Multiple L2 inlined: must be on several lines # Monkey → Macaca
# Monkey → Macaco
# L1 → L2
# L1 → L2
# Parrot → Papagaio # L2 → L1 Inverted position # Papagaio → Parrot # L1 → L2
# Monkey →Macaca # L1 →L2 Broken formating: separator space removed # Monkey → Macaca # L1 → L2

To push further

The source Portuguese list covers 20,000+ common words to got further. The following lists are available for translation into Surui, in order to quickly build a basic Surui vocabulary of 9,000 Surui words (assuming 10% words will be skipped) :

See also

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